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Алиев отменил полет в Стамбул




Президент Азербайджана Ильхам Алиев отменил намечавшийся визит в Турцию для участия в работе двухдневного саммита «Диалог цивилизаций» под эгидой ООН, который сегодня завершится в Стамбуле. Эксперты связывают это с позицией Анкары в отношении Армении: накануне высокопоставленные чиновники в Баку заявили, что, если Турция откроет свою границу с Арменией, Азербайджан ответит адекватными мерами и даже может перекрыть идущую к соседям газовую трубу.

Азербайджанская делегация представлена на форуме на уровне главы Госкомитета по работе с религиозными структурами Идаята Оруджева. Данный саммит посвящен вопросу укрепления и развития межкультурного взаимопонимания, и в его работе принимают участие президенты, премьер-министры и главы МИДов около 30 государств. Поэтому отправку в Стамбул госчиновника на уровне руководителя госкомитета некоторые аналитики поспешили квалифицировать как политический демарш.

Между тем Баку воздерживается от обнародования официальной версии случившегося, а посол Турции в Азербайджане Хулуси Кылыч, по сути, признав факт отмены Ильхамом Алиевым визита в Стамбул, заявил накануне, что воздерживается комментировать решение президента. «Могу просто сказать, что готовилась программа в связи с планирующимся визитом президента Азербайджана в Турцию», – заявил журналистам турецкий дипломат.

В отсутствие официальной информации местные газеты предположили, что главной причиной отмены визита стала просочившаяся в печать информация о намерении Анкары в ближайшие дни открыть границу с Арменией, которую Турция закрыла в 90-е годы из-за карабахского конфликта и оккупации Арменией 20% территории Азербайджана. В частности, влиятельное американское издание Wall Street Journal недавно назвало даже дату – 16 апреля. Правда, турецкие дипломаты и в Вашингтоне, и в Анкаре предпочли воздержаться от конкретики, подтверждая только определенный прогресс на переговорах с официальным Ереваном по нормализации отношений между двумя странами.

Следует заметить, что Баку в принципе не против нормализации отношений между Анкарой и Ереваном, но его настораживает перспектива открытия границы между двумя странами, которая в том числе будет использована для усиления военной мощи Армении, тогда переговорный процесс по урегулированию армяно-азербайджанского конфликта может зайти в тупик. Именно по этой причине в последние дни официальный Баку устами спикера парламента Октая Асадова и министра иностранных дел Эльмара Мамедъярова напоминал Турции об обещаниях не открывать границы с Арменией до урегулирования конфликта вокруг Нагорного Карабаха. Дело приняло такой оборот, что отреагировать на ситуацию пришлось руководителям Турции.

«Уже больше 17 лет США, Россия и Франция в составе Минской группы пытаются решить проблему, существующую между Азербайджаном и Арменией. До тех пор, пока не разрешен нагорнокарабахский конфликт, мы не сможем принять рационального решения в отношениях с Арменией», – заявил турецкий премьер-министр Реджеп Тайип Эрдоган на пресс-конференции в Лондоне. По его словам, на нынешнем этапе готовится фундамент отношений с Арменией, предпринимаются шаги в этом направлении. «Мы пытаемся подготовить к этим отношениям и себя, и весь регион», – заметил Эрдоган.

Вслед за ним успокоить Баку взялся и президент Турции Абдулла Гюль, который заметил, что информация американского издания Wall Street Journal, а также других периодических изданий не соответствует действительности. Так оно или нет, станет известно после завершения визита в Турцию президента США Барака Обамы, администрация которого оказывает давление на Анкару, требуя нормализовать отношения с Арменией, подразумевающего открытие границы с этой страной.



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Azerbaijan Seeks To Thwart Turkish-Armenian Rapprochement


Senior Azerbaijani officials have reacted with anger and threats to media reports that Turkey will soon sign a landmark protocol with Armenia paving the way to the establishment of formal diplomatic ties and the opening of the two countries' shared border.

Baku has long insisted that any such formal agreement by Turkey on closer relations with Armenia should be contingent on key concessions by the latter on the terms for a solution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

Azerbaijan's President Ilham Aliyev, who assured the Turkish parliament last November that "today Turkish-Azerbaijani unity is a stabilizing factor in the region," was quoted by the Turkish daily "Hurriyet" as threatening on April 1 to suspend natural-gas exports to Turkey, a threat tantamount to cutting off his nose to spite his face in light of the fall in world oil prices to half the $80 per barrel on which Azerbaijan's state budget expenditure for 2009 was predicated.

Then on April 6, "Hurriyet" confirmed a report published two days earlier in the online daily zerkalo.az that Aliyev has cancelled his participation in the NATO Dialogue of Civilizations conference in Istanbul on April 6-7, despite efforts by Turkish President Abdullah Gul and the U.S. State Department to persuade him to attend.

Baku's anger derives in large part from the perception that it has been stabbed in the back by the country that it has, despite periodic disagreements, long regarded as its closest ally, partner, and protector. That perception is rooted partly in the very close ethnic and linguistic ties between the two states, and partly in their close cooperation over the past 15 years in the export to Western markets of Azerbaijan's Caspian oil and gas. (Both main export pipelines run via Georgia to Turkey.) In addition, Ankara has provided guidance and advice to the Azerbaijani military.

But most crucially of all, it has until now unequivocally backed Azerbaijan's hard-line position with regard to resolving the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, pegging any real rapprochement with Armenia to a solution of that conflict on Azerbaijan's terms. Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov was quoted as telling journalists in Tbilisi on April 2 that if Turkey does not insist as a condition for opening the border that Armenia first withdraw its troops from at least some of the seven districts of Azerbaijan they currently occupy contiguous to the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh republic, "this would be detrimental to Azerbaijan's national interests."

Informed analysts have identified as one of the reasons why Ankara has responded positively to repeated overtures over the past two years by Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian frustration that Turkish foreign policy was being held hostage by Azerbaijan's unyielding position with regard to the Karabakh conflict. On April 5, Interfax circulated a question-and-answer with Armenian Foreign Minister Eduard Nalbandian, who said that "the normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations should have no preconditions, and it is with this mutual understanding that we have been negotiating with the Turkish side. Normalization of relations has no linkage to the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict."

On April 6, however, "Hurriyet" reported, quoting unnamed "reliable sources," that the Turkish-Armenian draft protocol contains the wording "sufficient progress on the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is required before the opening of the [Turkish-Armenian] border," and that President Aliyev is seeking clarification of what precisely is meant by "sufficient progress."

The Azerbaijani presidential administration told RFE/RL's Azerbaijani Service on April 6 they have no idea what the "Hurriyet" article was referring to. But as of mid-afternoon Baku time on April 6, Aliyev had not left for Istanbul.

Speculation that Azerbaijan is out to thwart the signing of the anticipated Turkish-Armenian protocol was fuelled by the unexpected visit to Baku on April 3 by U.S. Assistant Deputy Secretary of State Matthew Bryza for talks with President Aliyev and Foreign Minister Mammadyarov. Bryza was quoted as telling journalists on his arrival that Washington believes that "the positive changes in the region, that is achieving results in resolving the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and the warming in Turkish-Armenian relations, should proceed parallel with one another."

Bryza also reaffirmed the prediction made in late February by Ambassador Bernard Fassier, the French co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk Group that seeks to mediate a solution to the Karabakh conflict, that President Aliyev is likely to meet with his Armenian counterpart Serzh Sarkisian on the sidelines of the EU summit in Prague on May 7-8. When that time frame was first made public, it seemed probable that the meeting between the two presidents was intended to finalize the so-called Basic Principles for resolving the conflict that have been on the table for the past three years.

During their talks in Moscow in early November with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, Aliyev and Sarkisian reaffirmed their shared commitment to reaching a solution to the conflict that would reflect those principles. Bryza, who is the U.S. Minsk Group co-chairman, told RFE/RL in late January that the co-chairs were hoping that the Basic Principles would be signed in early summer, possibly in June. The Basic Principles entail a withdrawal of Armenian forces from five of the seven occupied Azerbaijani districts; "special arrangements" are to be instituted for the strategic Lachin Corridor that links the NKR with the Republic of Armenia, and for the district of Kelbacar that similarly lies between them.

Bryza's estimated time frame for the signing of the Basic Principles may, however, be derailed if Azerbaijan continues either to try to pressure Turkey, or to insist on a separate agreement on the withdrawal of Armenian forces as a preliminary to endorsing (or not) the remaining Basic Principles.

Not that Aliyev has any real leverage he could bring to bear. Speculation that Azerbaijan might withdraw its support for the planned Nabucco export pipeline for Caspian gas (from which Turkey would derive considerable profit in transit fees) and opt instead for the planned White Stream pipeline (the brainchild of Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, it would run across the Black Sea bed from the Georgian terminal at Supsa to a Ukrainian port) seems far-fetched, although it cannot be ruled out completely. The Georgian government signed a memorandum of mutual understanding on April 3 with the White Stream Pipeline Company in which the two sides affirmed their commitment to that project, Caucasus Press reported.



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Ильюша А. жжёт не по децки




Azerbaijan sent an envoy recently to Ankara to explain the government’s views on the reconciliation process between Yerevan and Ankara, which closed its borders with Armenia in 1993 after Armenian forces occupied Azerbaijani territory.

According to the envoy, Azerbaijan insists on three conditions to give its green light to opening the borders:

* Armenia should withdraw from five of the seven regions surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh, which are Agdam, Fizuli, Jabrayil, Zangilan and Qubadli.

* The return of the southern portion of the Lachin corridor.

* The use by Turkey of the Lachin corridor.

The Lachin corridor connects Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia. By enabling Turkey to also use the Lachin corridor, Azerbaijan wants to have direct land access to Turkey.

The envoy is said to have voiced concern about being left out of the talks between Armenia and Turkey.



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SamvelT
Его физиономия жжёт ... Это точно ...
Надо же было догадаться его папе - родить одного сына с таким "выражением лица" ... biggrin.gif
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Friendship group to be sent to Azerbaijan

ISTANBUL - Parliament’s Azerbaijani Friendship Group is planning to visit Baku to inform the Azerbaijan’s press and public opinion about the recent developments between Turkey and Armenia, according to Mustafa Kabakçı, head of the group.





"We are going to go to Azerbaijan to inform them as we see that there’s information pollution there," Kabakçı said Friday, the Anatolia news agency reported. He said contrary to Azerbaijani press reports, Turkey’s policy has not changed.

"Our efforts to solve the regional problems peacefully and to develop cooperation in the region continue. Turkey has always been on our Azeri brothers’ side," he said. Both President Abdullah Gül and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan have several times assured Baku that Turkey’s sensitivities over the Nagorno-Karabakh problem remain same, Kabakçı said.

"We believe that our brotherhood [with Azerbaijan] will strengthen," he said. The date of the visit will be set next week.

Also, Turkey has prevented a group of Azerbaijani journalists from traveling to Kars, an eastern Anatolian town on the border of Armenia, to protest Ankara’s talks with Yerevan to open the border, which has been closed since 1993. Hasan Zeynelov, Azerbaijan’s consul-general in Kars, confirmed the prevented travel, Doğan news agency reported Friday. "Their plane did not take off from Baku as they could not get permission. However, these journalists will arrive through another way, just the date has not been finalized," Zeynekov said.




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Azerbaijan Continues To Vent Anger With Turkey





Speakers at the April 8 session of the Azerbaijani parliament were uniformly critical of the anticipated rapprochement between Turkey and Armenia.

Several deputies advocated convening an emergency parliament session on April 14 to debate the repercussions for Azerbaijan of the anticipated opening of the Turkish-Armenian border.

Evda Abramov, who heads the parliament faction of the ruling Yeni Azerbaycan Party, wholeheartedly endorsed that proposal. Abramov conceded that "Turkey is a separate independent state that has the right to its own foreign policy, but they have always assured us that until a solution is found to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict the frontier with Armenia will never be opened and diplomatic ties with that country will not be resumed."

Also on April 8, Mubariz Ahmedoglu of the Center for Political Innovations and Technologies told a press conference in Baku that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Justice and Development Party has betrayed the interests of the Azerbaijani and Turkish peoples by embarking on the process of normalizing relations with Turkey.

Ahmedoglu argued that "all these years, Azerbaijan has structured its foreign policy in accordance with Turkey's interests. Baku refrained from developing relations with Moscow to the fullest extent and did not pursue deep cooperation with Washington precisely because strategic cooperation with Ankara was a kind of beacon, a priority for us."

"We always defended Ankara's interests, trying to ensure that it was via Turkish territory that energy resources reached the West. And Turkey has repaid us for this with black ingratitude," he continued.

On April 9, Sheikh-ul-Islam Allakh-Shukur Pashazade, Azerbaijan's most senior Muslim cleric, addressed an open letter to Ali Bardakoglu, the head of Turkey's Religious Affairs Directorate.

"The closing by Turkey 16 years ago of its border with Armenia as a sign of protest against the unsubstantiated accusations of the so-called 'Armenian genocide' and the occupation of Nagorno-Karabakh by Armenia bestowed on Azerbaijanis a feeling of pride that is equaled by their bitterness and disappointment at the possibility that the border will be opened," Pasha-zade wrote.

He appealed to Turkey as a supporter of Islam, justice and truth not to open its border with "the aggressor Armenia that has occupied 20 percent of Azerbaijan's territory."

Meanwhile, the Executive Director of the Baku radio station Media FM, Tural Aliyev, announced that in the event that the Turkish-Armenian border is indeed opened, his station will cease broadcasting songs by Turkish singers. He called on all other radio stations in Azerbaijan to declare a similar boycott.

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan on April 8 hinted at a toughening of the Turkish position vis-à-vis Armenia, telling journalists that a solution to the Karabakh conflict must precede a solution to the "problems between Turkey and Armenia." He added that he hopes the UN Security Council will formally designate Armenia as the occupier of Nagorno-Karabakh.

The Turkish newspaper "Today’s Zaman" reported on April 9 that Turkish President Abdullah Gul will visit Baku soon to discuss with his Azerbaijani counterpart Ilham Aliyev Azerbaijan's concern at the anticipated Turkish-Armenian rapprochement. Citing an unnamed Turkish government official, the paper said that the Turkish-Armenian border will probably remain closed at least until October. "Ankara will use the time until November to ease Azerbaijan's concerns," it said.

In Armenia, meanwhile, there are growing calls for official Yerevan to halt negotiations with Ankara if they do not lead to an agreement soon. "If Turkey suddenly caves in to Azerbaijan's threats and these negotiations yield no results soon, then I think the Armenian side will not carry on with them," Giro Manoyan, a senior member of the influential Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutiun), told reporters on April 8.

Former Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian took a similar view in an interview with RFE/RL earlier this week. "I believe the ball is in the Turkish court today," Oskanian said. "Turkey should overcome its dilemma and open the border. Or else Armenia should call a halt to this process."




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SamvelT
Ара не ставьте да его фотки на ночь глядя ! У меня приступ смеха мешает заснуть , а утром на работу ... Не высыпаюсь по 2-3 дня , даже в Воскресенье !
Я хочу его фотографию из паспорта видеть или из личного дела архива КГБ , когда он просрал в казино большую (ну очень большую!) сумму и папаша его , отвёл к гебистам на терапию ...
Может тогда смогу спокойно спать ... Хотя сомневаюсь я и в этом , капитально ...
Kars
QUOTE (SamvelT @ Apr 10 2009, 21:24) *
Ара не ставьте да его фотки на ночь глядя ! У меня приступ смеха мешает заснуть , а утром на работу ...


На самом деле! lool.gif

По-моему, нужно пункт ввести в Правила форума: «Запрещено выставлять фото Ильхама перед сном».
LOUIS V*
Я тоже на него смотрю и думаю, что эта Мехрибан расчетная баба.

Жаль.
Kars
QUOTE (LOUIS V* @ Apr 11 2009, 02:30) *
Жаль.


На самом деле жаль. Очень симпатичная женщина. Кстати, я ее очень люблю, Usta_Valod тоже. Так что просим нашу Меhрибанку не обижать на этом форуме.
LOUIS V*
Цитата(Kars @ Apr 11 2009, 11:40) *
На самом деле жаль. Очень симпатичная женщина. Кстати, я ее очень люблю, Usta_Valod тоже. Так что просим нашу Меhрибанку не обижать на этом форуме.


Уважаемый Карс, я тоже сладкоежка и от Мехри_банки не отказывался, не откажусь и не думаю отказаться.
Nick
QUOTE (Spezzatura @ Apr 7 2009, 13:33) *

Это что за дряная карта? huh.gif Сверху Армению обошли - снизу и Мегри к себе присобачили? Фиг вам, а не проект будущего! mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif
Kars
Извините за офтоп, но не могу не сказать (другого более удобного топика не нашел).

У нас дома тоже есть один Ильхам. Только наш Ильхам - ротвейлер. Кстати, один из наших уважаемых форумджаников недавно посетил наше обиталище - может подтвердить, что Ильхам - неплохой пес.

К чему я это?

Завтра сфотографирую моего Ильхама в фас, и выставлю это фото на форуме. Потом откроем голосовалку: у кого выражение лица умнее - у карсского Ильхама, или у апшеронского Ильхама?

Будет, по-моему, очень интересно посмотреть на статистику.
LOUIS V*
Цитата(Nick @ Apr 11 2009, 11:49) *
Это что за дряная карта? huh.gif Сверху Армению обошли - снизу и Мегри к себе присобачили? Фиг вам, а не проект будущего! mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif

Зато Грузия там целая. Художник был фантастом.)
Kars
QUOTE (Nick @ Apr 11 2009, 02:49) *
Это что за дряная карта? huh.gif Сверху Армению обошли - снизу и Мегри к себе присобачили? Фиг вам, а не проект будущего! mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif


Не принимай близко к сердцу, Nick джан. Посмотри на флаги, изображенные на символической "турубе", и всё станет объяснимо. По плану «Бирмиллят/Учдовлят».
Nick
QUOTE (LOUIS V* @ Apr 11 2009, 14:12) *
Зато Грузия там целая. Художник был фантастом.)

Уж скорее, он был азербайджанцем-фантастом, нежели фантастом-грузином. Просто есть такая штука - ностальжи.... sad.gif
Ararat3
Цитата(Kars @ Apr 11 2009, 14:01) *
Извините за офтоп, но не могу не сказать (другого более удобного топика не нашел).
У нас дома тоже есть один Ильхам. Только наш Ильхам - ротвейлер. Кстати, один из наших уважаемых форумджаников недавно посетил наше обиталище - может подтвердить, что Ильхам - неплохой пес.
К чему я это?
Завтра сфотографирую моего Ильхама в фас, и выставлю это фото на форуме. Потом откроем голосовалку: у кого выражение лица умнее - у карсского Ильхама, или у апшеронского Ильхама?
Будет, по-моему, очень интересно посмотреть на статистику.

Если бы ты кормил своего Ильхама икрой и осетриной, то я уверен, что мордой он вышел бы не хуже апшеронского ильхама.
Zinvor
Цитата(Nick @ Apr 11 2009, 13:49) *
Это что за дряная карта? huh.gif Сверху Армению обошли - снизу и Мегри к себе присобачили? Фиг вам, а не проект будущего! mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif
БРАВОоооо!А я то сижу и жду-неужели никто не заметит................

SamvelT
Когда пять таких физиономий стоЯт на одном подиуме , думаю многие отвлекутся на них , а не на карту Армении ... Оптический обман называется этот проект ... Учебное пособие на бдительность ...
Но пачка у него клёвая , да ещё и в такой "оправе" - Саакашвили и Эрдоган , с двух сторон ... biggrin.gif Вообще отпад !

Карс джан , не в обиду , но твой пёс проиграет апшеронскому по всем направлениям ... Не вариант научить чистопородного ротвеллера так глупо улыбаться . Такой обаятельной улыбки на тупом лице я в жизни не смог бы даже представить себе , да ещё и полуспущенные веки , добавляющие вместе с усами , немного секси-интима в иммидж султашки ... cool.gif
Про мехрибашку же скажу следующее : скажи мне кто твой муж - и я скажу кто ты ... cool.gif Пятикопеечная "красота" , у меня против неё имуннитет и синдромом его потери в любых климатических условиях я не "страдаю" ... fedayi.gif
Zinvor
Цитата(SamvelT @ Apr 11 2009, 21:09) *
Когда пять таких физиономий стоЯт на одном подиуме , думаю многие отвлекутся на них , а не на карту Армении ... Оптический обман называется этот проект ... Учебное пособие на бдительность ...
Но пачка у него клёвая , да ещё и в такой "оправе" - Саакашвили и Эрдоган , с двух сторон ... biggrin.gif Вообще отпад !

Карс джан , не в обиду , но твой пёс проиграет апшеронскому по всем направлениям ... Не вариант научить чистопородного ротвеллера так глупо улыбаться . Такой обаятельной улыбки на тупом лице я в жизни не смог бы даже представить себе , да ещё и полуспущенные веки , добавляющие вместе с усами , немного секси-интима в иммидж султашки ... cool.gif
Про мехрибашку же скажу следующее : скажи мне кто твой муж - и я скажу кто ты ... cool.gif Пятикопеечная "красота" , у меня против неё имуннитет и синдромом его потери в любых климатических условиях я не "страдаю" ... fedayi.gif
Теперь КАРС тебя забанит..............
-Народ а как теперь все проекты будут действовать,если Саака скинут(с кровью видимо),придут новые(старые)и снова сначала всё по кругу,но видимо с российским уклоном.
SamvelT
QUOTE (Zinvor @ Apr 11 2009, 21:28) *
Теперь КАРС тебя забанит..............
-Народ а как теперь все проекты будут действовать,если Саака скинут(с кровью видимо),придут новые(старые)и снова сначала всё по кругу,но видимо с российским уклоном.



У Карса я попрошу прощения сразу ... sad.gif
Я думал за ротвеллера , вообще-то , забанит ... wink.gif



Про "российский уклон" в грузинском шовинизме - это будет сразу , как станет ясно , что нам "хорошо" ... Также и про "грузино-азеский" уклон в российском менталитете ... Только вот , абхазов и осетин жаль ... Пострадают из-за нас ... А неплохой гарантийный кордон , в принципе ... cool.gif Вторая цепь кавказского хребта ... Неужели и этот "хребет" сломают ? У нас неплохие гарантии в эпоху кризиса ... Лишь бы не девальвировали эти национальные образования ... Честно говоря , Россия поспешила с признанием независимости Абхазии и Ю.Осетии - теперь Армения свободнее (чем должна была быть) в своём выборе ...
Spezzatura
Хиллари Клинтон не смогла уговорить Ильхама Алиева встретиться с Бараком Обамой





Президент Турции Абдулла Гюль и госсекретарь США Хиллари Клинтон позвонили президенту Азербайджана Ильхаму Алиеву и попросили его приехать на проходящую сегодня в Стамбуле встречу "Альянс цивилизаций". Об этом азербайджанское агентство АПА сообщает со ссылкой на турецкую газету "Referens" и сайт hurriyyet.dayli.com.

По информации, полученной АПА из турецких источников, первым позвонил Абдулла Гюль. Глава Азербайджана выразил турецкому коллеге резкий протест по поводу планов открытия границ с Арменией и не изменил решения не участвовать на мероприятии в Стамбуле. Затем с Ильхамом Алиевым связался по телефону премьер-министр Турции Реджеп Тайип Эрдоган. Ему тоже не удалось заставить азербайджанского руководителя изменить свое решение.


После этого позвонила госсекретарь США Хиллари Клинтон, которая сказала, что в Стамбуле состоится его встреча с президентом США Бараком Обамой, прибывшим в Турцию для участия на мероприятии. Однако Ильхам Алиев остался непреклонен. Турецкие источники сообщают, что во всех телефонных разговорах президент Азербайджана выражал протест против открытия турецко-армянской границы и подчеркивал, что это вызовет серьезное недовольство общественности республики. Он также заявил, что открытие границ негативно скажется на процессах, идущих на Южном Кавказе, в том числе на отношениях двух стран.

Отметим, что президент Азербайджана Ильхам Алиев отказался принять участие на международной встрече "Альянс цивилизаций" в Стамбуле. Причиной послужили сообщения о подготовке Турции к открытию границ с Арменией.


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Kars


Байц и՜нч демq а!

Нет, всё-таки я думаю, что мой Ильхам победит апшеронского Ильхама по конкурсу «Выражение лица» и по конкурсу «Симпатичность».
Asatryan
Цитата(SamvelT @ Apr 11 2009, 09:24) *
Ара не ставьте да его фотки на ночь глядя ! У меня приступ смеха мешает заснуть , а утром на работу ... Не высыпаюсь по 2-3 дня , даже в Воскресенье ! .




Я тоже случайно посмотрел перед сном и тепер я тоже спать не могу smile.gif
SamvelT
Вы опять за своё да ! mad.gif Я же просил - на ночь глядя не выставлять его фотографии ... sleep.gif Даже антибиотuческой фоткой его жены , Асатрян мне настроение поднять не сможет ... biggrin.gif
Карс ! Твой пёс на лопатках ! Отвечаю - проиграет 100 из ста ... Даже не траться на конкурс , спокойно посылай бедолагу в Гарвард , на фоне этого фото , его примут туда без экзаменов ... biggrin.gif
Kars
QUOTE (Asatryan @ Apr 11 2009, 19:54) *


Я тоже случайно посмотрел перед сном и тепер я тоже спать не могу smile.gif


Такое добро пропадает, Asatryan джан, как ты можешь спокойно спать?
Ghazaryan
Цитата(Kars @ Apr 12 2009, 05:20) *


Байц и՜нч демq а!

Нет, всё-таки я думаю, что мой Ильхам победит апшеронского Ильхама по конкурсу «Выражение лица» и по конкурсу «Симпатичность».

Карс, ждемс голосовалки! laugh.gif
Ararat3


По названию фотки, я бы непременно первое место взял бы. А фото я назвал: Морда кирпича просит !!!
Kars
QUOTE (Ghazaryan @ Apr 12 2009, 00:28) *
Карс, ждемс голосовалки! laugh.gif


Без сарказма! mad.gif

Извините за опоздание, уважаемый Ghazaryan. Завтра устроим голосовалку.

У нас уже за полночь, хорошей фотографии Ильхама не получится. Со вспышкой - не то. Надо днем, при естественном освещении, и в фас. Выражение лица будет впечатлительнее.

Но зато у нас есть фото Ильхама (правда не совсем в фас), где его нежно гладит наша Bagirka: http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showto...st&p=871027
Zinvor
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Без сарказма! mad.gif

Извините за опоздание, уважаемый Ghazaryan. Завтра устроим голосовалку.

У нас уже за полночь, хорошей фотографии Ильхама не получится. Со вспышкой - не то. Надо днем, при естественном освещении, и в фас. Выражение лица будет впечатлительнее.

Но зато у нас есть фото Ильхама (правда не совсем в фас), где его нежно гладит наша Bagirka: http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showto...st&p=871027
sad.gif Менк ардэн ереви чаперы анцеленк ереханер!Ой незнаю даже,хотя если почитать на и форумах мер караварутян масин то мы даже пионеры по сравнению с наидреннейщими из оттолерантеных!
Spezzatura
У кого-нибудь есть инфа насчет того что творится на границе ?
Турки пишут что в придверии открытия наводится марафет и что самолету с тофиками не разрешили вылетить из Гейдарабада в Карс когда выяснилось что те едут протестовать.
Spezzatura
Ihsan Dagi

Turkey between Armenia and Azerbaijan





Is Turkey going to establish diplomatic representation with Armenia and open its border with this neighboring country? Since the Turkish president's attendance at a soccer match between the two countries' national teams in Yerevan last year, a process of rapprochement has been on the table.

The need for stability in the Caucasus and the increasing assertiveness of Russia in the region, as well as the imperative for addressing historical animosity between the peoples of the two countries, requires a properly working relationship between Turkey and Armenia.
This is the rational choice. But governments do not act only on rationality. They are sentimental, like individuals. Yet the sentimentality of the Turks and the Armenians has not brought anything but enmity between these two peoples and their imprisonment in history. Now the two neighboring countries are being tested: They will either move along a path toward removing the burden of the past, seeing many opportunities along the way, or remain hostage to history.

Anyhow, it is not civilized to be neighbors and keep the borders closed and not establish diplomatic contacts.

It is a question of whether they will surrender to nationalism or not. We know that the Armenian issue in Turkey and the Turkish question among the Armenians fan nationalism. Some groups on both sides have obvious interests in keep this issue bleeding so that nationalism can remain alive.

Visionary politicians can change history. The pain and suffering of the past is real. But how long can we live in the past? Politicians should, of course, be respectful to the past generations that suffered, but they also have responsibilities for living people and for future generations.

We are at a crossroads. There are now some positive signs that the dialogue between Turkey and Armenia may result in some concrete steps. Yet it appears that Azerbaijan is unhappy with the diplomatic contacts between Turkey and Armenia. Some in Azerbaijan are even furious, regarding such a rapprochement as a betrayal. There is no doubt that the Armenians should withdraw from the occupied Azerbaijani territories. Neither international law nor universal ethics allow for the annexation of territory by force. The Armenians should be persuaded or forced to withdraw from Azeri territories.

Armenia's international and regional standing will be enhanced with a solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh issue. Otherwise, it will be isolated in the region with support coming only from Russia. But Armenia's reliance or even dependence on Russia seriously hamper its standing in its relations with the West. If the tension between Russia and Europe or the US increases, Armenia will be pushed further into the Russian orbit. So in order to reduce its dependence on Russia and be a free agent in global politics, Armenia should resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh issue.

The Azerbaijanis should also be prepared for a negotiated settlement. The country cannot surrender to those who use the Nagorno-Karabakh issue to mobilize the masses and garner political legitimacy and power. It is not hard to see that this issue functions in Azerbaijan as the Cyprus issue functions in Turkey: fanning nationalism and justifying authoritarian tendencies and practices by pointing out a national "enemy" or cause.

This is not the time to play such a simple and silly game.

Concerning the role Turkey plays in the Nagorno-Karabakh issue, Azerbaijanis should ask this question: Has Turkey's boycott of Armenia brought about a solution? It may be time to come up with some new initiatives to resolve the territorial dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Stability and peace in the southern Caucasus require a solution to this problem. No party involved can benefit from disturbances in the region.

Azerbaijan's strong reaction to Turkey is not reasonable at all. It is likely to push Azerbaijan toward Russia, the primary supporter of Armenia's occupation of Nagorno-Karabakh. Can the Azerbaijani leadership explain this to its people: turning their back on Turkey and embracing Russia, the ally of Armenia, to solve the Nagorno-Karabakh question?

Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev has threatened to cut off natural gas sales to Turkey. It has not been mentioned yet, but he can also close the Baku-Ceyhan-Tbilisi pipeline. These would certainly harm Turkey, but they would result in Azerbaijan's dependence on Russia. They should understand that Turkey is their only outlet for reaching out to the world beyond Russia.

It is time to bury historical animosities in the southern Caucasus.



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QUOTE (Spezzatura @ Apr 14 2009, 01:19) *
Neither international law nor universal ethics allow for the annexation of territory by force.

Кто бы говорил. Как были ничтожествами так ими и остались.
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The Armenians should be persuaded or forced to withdraw from Azeri territories.

Только через наши трупы. fedayi.gif
SamvelT
QUOTE (Samwelino @ Apr 14 2009, 10:33) *
Кто бы говорил. Как были ничтожествами так ими и остались.

Только через наши трупы. fedayi.gif



Нет уж ... Лучше - через их трупы ... cool.gif
Spezzatura
Азербайджанская партия "Муасир Мусават" провела акцию перед посольством Турции в Баку


АЗЕРБАЙДЖАН Несанкционированную властями акцию провела перед посольством Турции в Баку азербайджанская партия «Муасир Мусават» («Современный Мусават»), протестуя против возможного открытия турецко-армянской границы. Активисты партии численностью около 20 человек, выкрикивая лозунг «Карабах!», подошли к территории посольства Турции в Баку с транспарантами – «Армяне наши общие враги!». Представители участников пикета зачитали резолюцию акции, в которой отмечается недопустимость открытия турецко-армянской границы на сегодняшний день. В документе также подчеркивается, что Турция не должна открыть госграницы с соседней Арменией без отказа последней от территориальных притязаний к Турции, освобождения оккупированных территорий Азербайджана, также отказа от выдвижения требований по признанию геноцида армян.



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Azeri's goal for centuries was to finally become part of "turkish sea", because majority of people/government in Az. are turks, who occupied Az. teritories and conquered Lezgins, Talishes, and other nations living there. Today these nations are completely suppressed and almost completely assimilated by turks majority. Azeri turks of course want to restart wars, and send more Talishes and Lezgins to die in it, to simultaneously have their internal problem solved, because Lezgins and Talishes still do show weak attempts to recover their national identity.

Many territories of Armenia were lost to Turks, and many were given to Az. by soviet government. Many of them are emptied by now from Armenians, as a result of methodological extinction of Armenians by Az. government. But highlands of Artsakh (known by turks and georgians as Gharabagh) still survived the extinction and were able to fight and win the right to live in the land of their ancestors.

We do not want war, even to recover territories that we lost to turks and azers. Because there are no more people on those territories, and land without people is not interesting to us. But if azers will try to restart the war, then chances are high that we will free also the the rest of Artsakh, as well as Nakhichevan, if the attacks come from there too. It will be stupid of them to even try restarting the war. And they will only do this if government (turks) gain enough confidence that it will be possible to again send Lezgins and Talishes to fight for them. Turks themselves of course have no motivation to fight for a land that does not belong to them and they will not send their children to die there. But government is methodically injecting hate into the new generation growing in Az. and eventually that may become possible. And both nations again will pay for the turkish desire to create the great turkish sea, where Armenia was always their biggest problem in achieving it. And loosing again, azers will start crying even louder for lands "occupied" by Armenia.
Spezzatura
Turkish PM to visit Armenia for Black Sea meeting
Turkish FM Babacan will attend a meeting of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation in Yerevan.
Wednesday, 15 April 2009






Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan will travel to Armenia on Thursday for a regional summit in a step towards restoring diplomatic ties after a century of hostility between the neighbours.

Babacan will attend a meeting of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation in Yerevan, the Foreign Ministry said in an e-mailed statement on Wednesday.

Turkey and Armenia, which have no diplomatic ties, have been engaged in high-level talks since last year. Turkish President Abdullah Gul travelled to Yerevan last year to attend a football match between the two countries.

Turkey is considering opening the border with Armenia, which it closed in 1993 in solidarity with its traditional, Muslim ally Azerbaijan.

Armenia and Azerbaijan are in dispute over the breakaway enclave of Nagorno Karabakh, controlled by ethnic Armenians.

Turkey accepts that many Christian Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks during World War One and that Muslims also died in internecine fighting, but denies that up to 1.5 million died

Reuters



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SamvelT
Кто бы сомневался ...
И вообще , куда он мог деться ? Или Турция является основным денежным донром для Пакистана ...
Очень несимпатичное , даже подлое выражение лица со слащавой улыбкой , но ехать ему было надо ... Эрдогана же должны отправить прямо из Москвы в Токио ... Пусть там поблатует , а не здесь языком трепет впустую ...
Spezzatura
Turkish foreign minister participates in BSEC meeting in Armenia

ISTANBUL - Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan participated Thursday in a meeting of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation, or BSEC, in the Armenian capital of Yerevan.





Babacan's trip to Yerevan coincides with stepped up efforts between Turkey and Armenia, which have no diplomatic ties, to resolve disputes stemming from history.

"We want a comprehensive solution and full normalization," Babacan was quoted by broadcaster CNNTurk as telling reporters aboard his plane when asked about the ongoing talks with Armenia.

Babacan is expected to deliver a speech in the 20th meeting of the organization, which groups 12 regional countries seeking closer economic ties, the Anatolian Agency reported.

Ankara and Yerevan have no diplomatic relations. Their border was closed in 1993 over Armenia's invasion of 20 percent of Azerbaijani territory and Armenia's pressure on the international community with the backing of the diaspora to recognize the so-called "genocide" claims instead of accepting Turkey's call to investigate the allegations.

Turkey and Armenia, however, have been engaged in a normalization process, including the reopening of the border, since Gul paid a landmark visit to Armenia last year to watch a World Cup qualifying football match between the countries’ national teams.



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Spezzatura
Первая реакция из Баку на приезд главы МИДа Турции Бабахана в Ереван





Gorec
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Первая реакция из Баку на приезд главы МИДа Турции Бабахана в Ереван



Вот нам также нужно реагировать на провакации этих эки довлетов. А лучше сделать с ними, млять и не дрогнет рука.


Lazar
QUOTE (Spezzatura @ Apr 16 2009, 08:41) *
Первая реакция из Баку на приезд главы МИДа Турции Бабахана в Ереван





Зомби екидовляти взбунтавались laugh.gif
Меркурий
Lavn er es shaxsei-vaxsei nkary.
Lriv texin er. laugh.gif
Joxovurd lav imaceq, vor adrbejanciq mezanic lav giten Turqiayi hetaga qaylery.
Sranc es histerikanery lriv sarqats xax a.
Ynenc vor 4xarneq irakanutyan het.
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Щяс азербайджанцы и турки вместе будут скорбить приезд Бадрджана в Ереван.
Хотя по большому нечего и не ожидается
Spezzatura
Babacan: We want Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan to win





Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan has said Turkey sees relations between it and Armenia from a broad perspective and that Ankara is looking for a solution in which Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan will all be winners.

"As Turkey, we want a solution in which everybody is a winner. We want Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan to win," he said on his way to the 20th Black Sea Economic Cooperation (BSEC) Foreign Ministers Council in Yerevan yesterday.

He also said Turkey is seeking "comprehensive and complete normalization."

"We don't say, 'Let's first solve one problem and solve the other later.' We want a similar process to start between Azerbaijan and Armenia. We are closely watching the talks between Azerbaijan and Armenia," he added.

Turkish and Armenian officials have been attempting to create a formula for normalizing relations between their countries, but Armenia's dispute with Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh looms in the background as a potential deal breaker.

Azerbaijan, Turkey's strategic and ethnic ally, has been uneasy with prospects of a rapprochement between Ankara and Yerevan, fearing it will lose key leverage in the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute if Turkey opens its border and restarts diplomatic ties with Armenia. Ankara has previously said normalization with Armenia is contingent on a resolution in the dispute over Nagorno-Karabakh, which has been under Armenian occupation since 1991.

A high-level diplomatic source said, "Turkey cares about Azerbaijan's problems at least as much as the Azerbaijanis themselves." The two countries have long boasted of their relationship as exemplary, describing themselves as "one nation with two states" to highlight their ethnic and strategic ties.

Azerbaijan's concerns have been fueled by media reports indicating that Turkey and Armenia could reach a deal to open their border as early as this month. But Turkish officials, dismissing such reports, have said the Turkish-Armenian border could be opened in October, when Armenian President Serzh Sarksyan is due to visit Turkey to watch a World Cup qualifying match between the national teams of the two countries.

Sources say Ankara will use the time until then to ease Azerbaijan's concerns and insist on progress in international efforts for the resolution on the Nagorno-Karabakh issue before proceeding with efforts to normalize ties with Armenia, even though Armenia rejects any link between the issues.

Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian said yesterday at a BSEC press conference, "Turkey and Armenia have gone a long way toward opening the Turkey-Armenia border, and they will come closer to opening it soon." He said there had been no agreement yet between the two sides regarding opening of the border.

Asked about the potential opening of the Turkish-Armenian border, Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Mahmud Mammad Guliev said the solution to the two countries' problems should be tied to the solution of the dispute between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

Nalbandian, on the other hand, said the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute is being handled through the Minsk Group, created to find a solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh issue by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) in 1992 and co-chaired by Russia, the United States and France.

Asked if Azerbaijan has reservations about Turkey's ongoing talks with Armenia, Guliev said Azerbaijanis believe Turkey will protect their interests.

Just as there is ongoing dialogue between Turkey and Armenia, there is also a parallel and ongoing process between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Sarksyan and Azerbaijani President İlham Aliyev have met three times over the last year.

Yesterday Babacan met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Guliev before leaving Yerevan. He also had talks with Sarksyan and Nalbandian.

Meanwhile, Russian officials expressed a desire for better neighborly relations between Turkey, Azerbaijan and Armenia. Through a statement from their embassy in Ankara, Russian officials said, "Russia has been astonished to see media reports about Russia attempting to persuade Baku that normalization of relations between Ankara and Yerevan is aimed at marginalizing Baku."

Russian officials said these allegations are baseless and that they have not changed their foreign policy of promoting stability and peace in the region.



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Spezzatura
Fury over, bitterness lingers in Azerbaijan

BAKU - Turkey and Armenia have never before come so close to normalizing bilateral relations, and, similarly, Turkey and Azerbaijan have never come so close to rupturing theirs.



It is not just a coincidence that shortly after refusing to come to Turkey to attend an international conference, Azerbaijani President İlham Aliyev went to Moscow and called Russia "a strategic partner."

"If Turkey opens the borders with Armenia, what will be the difference for us between Turkey and Russia or Turkey and Iran?" said Asım Mollazade, the leader of the opposition Democratic Reform Party.

The news that Turkey was preparing to normalize its relations with Armenia has sent shockwaves through the Azerbaijani society.

In reality, not a single Azerbaijani official has talked openly about the government’s discontent on the possibility of Turkey normalizing its relations with Armenia without substantial progress on the Nagorno-Karabakh problem. But the press has been fiercely criticizing the ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, and everyone in Turkey knew that the media campaign was orchestrated by the Aliyev administration.

"If the government does not want, there won’t be any discussion. But lately, there was discussion everywhere, in universities, in the press. Everyone was talking against Turkey. There has been a campaign that Turkey has betrayed Azerbaijan. The government was behind it," said Arastun Orujlu, the head of East-West Research Center.

But the government is not alone in its frustration vis a vis Turkey. The opposition also shares the government’s resentment toward Turkey. "Opening the borders without a condition will be against the interest of both Turkey and Azerbaijan. Normalization with Armenia without progress on Nagorno-Karabakh will damage bilateral relations," said Nesib Nesibli, a member of parliament from the opposition Musavat Party.
"In Azerbaijan, anything else is black and white between the government and the opposition. But on the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh and relations with Turkey, they are united," said a foreign observer who asked to remain anonymous.

Situation calmed but bitterness remains

Although recent statements from Turkish officials that the borders will not be opened before progress is made on Nagorno-Karabakh, an enclave under Armenian occupation, seem to have calmed Azerbaijanis, the bitterness remains.

Turkey and Azerbaijan have cultural, linguistic and religious affinity. Their close relations and cooperation are often expressed by the motto "one nation, two states." Although Turkey recognized the independence of Armenia after the demise of Soviet Union, it has never established diplomatic relations because of Yerevan’s efforts to gain recognition of claims of genocide as well as its territorial claims. Armenia does not recognize treaties signed under Soviet rule that mark the borders in the Caucasus.

Turkey closed its border with Armenia when Armenia began its occupation of Nagorno-Karabakh and the regions surrounding the enclave. Until recently, Turkey tied normalizing its relations with Armenia to the solution in Nagorno-Karabakh.

But over time this connection has weakened. Under the pressure of several parliamentary decisions that recognize Armenia’s claims of genocide, Turkey has sought to normalize relations with Armenia. Turkish President Abdullah Gül’s visit to Armenia in September was a turning point, as secret talks between the two countries that had started before the visit gained new momentum. The two sides are said to have reached an agreement upon a protocol that draws a timetable for normalizing relations. But it has been unclear to what degree a solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict has been included in the protocol.

Azerbaijanis have hard time understanding the benefit of opening the borders without visible progress in their talks with Armenia. "There is no reason to give such a gift to the Armenians at this stage," said Nesibli.

"Whatever the level of relations between Turkey and Armenia, the Armenian diaspora will not stop its efforts for the recognition of genocide claims all over the world," said Mollazade. "I will be the first one to argue for the opening of the borders if I knew it would be for the benefit of Turkey."

He dismissed claims that trade with Armenia would flourish as a result of opening of the borders. "The trade between Turkey and Azerbaijan is incomparable with the potential trade with Armenia," he said.

"Azerbaijan has been asked not to go to war with Armenia to get back its land. But we have been waiting for the past 17 years. The only peaceful way for us to convince the Armenians to release those lands is Turkey," he added.

He also dismissed claims that improving relations between Turkey and Armenia would lead to progress in Armenian-Azerbaijani talks. "Yerevan was ready for talks. But after there were signs of a breakthrough with Turkey, our negotiations started to drag on," he said.

An oil- and gas-producing country, Azerbaijan’s economy has seen steady growth since the late 1990s. It is one of the few countries in the region not affected seriously by the global economic crisis. Nagorno-Karabakh remains the only stumbling block in its economic development and integration in the world political system.

"Nagorno-Karabakh is the No. 1 issue in this country. That’s why the public outcry about Turkey has been quite ubiquitous. There is certainly a sense of being abandoned by the big brother," said a foreign observer.

"I can’t believe Turkey can do that," said Ennagi İsmailoglu, a taxi driver, adding: "Our relations will be seriously damaged if Turkey opens the border with Armenia."



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Russia- Turkey wars of supremacy in Azerbaijan

BAKU - Although the storm in Turkish-Azerbaijani relations has settled following assurances from Ankara that it will not open its borders with Yerevan before a breakthrough in Armenian-Azerbaijani issues is made, it seems difficult for the short term to eradicate the crisis of confidence erupted recently between Ankara and Baku.






Ankara and Yerevan came very close to a deal that would normalize relations between the two countries but the process came to a sudden halt following reaction from Azerbaijan, which is opposed to the opening of the border without progress in the Nagorno Karabakh issue.

Turkey closed its borders with Armenia after the Armenian occupation of the Azerbaijani enclave Nagorno Karabakh, as well as other regions surrounding the enclave.

“We were not informed of the talks between Turkey and Armenia,” Asım Mollazade said of the negotiations conducted between Turkish and Armenian diplomats. The talks gained momentum following Turkish President Abdullah Gül’s historic visit to Yerevan last September. “We learned it from others,” added Mollazade, the leader of the opposition Democratic Reform Party.

The lack of confidence is not a recent factor in relations. When the Justice and Development Party, or the AKP, came to power, Baku hesitated to fully trust the new government in Ankara. “There was an apprehension towards the AKP. Baku was not sure whether the Turkic world would appear high on the agenda of the AKP. There was a suspicion that the AKP could prioritize other issues to the detriment of Azerbaijan,” said a foreign observer, who asked not to be identified.

Although the recent statements from Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and President Gül have calmed down the administration’s anxiety, the fact that the Turkish parliamentary group that went to Baku last week did not include AKP parliamentarians did not go unnoticed. “Relations with Azerbaijan should be a bipartisan issue. It should not be the victim of discussions between the government and the opposition,” said Mollazade, talking to Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review right after a meeting with the visiting delegation.


Russian influence

In every conversation in Baku that involves the Caucasus, Russia is inevitably mentioned. Opponents of Russia see the hand of Moscow in the rapprochement between the Turks and the Armenians, as it will be detrimental to relations between Ankara and Baku.
“Russia wants the Caucasus out of the hands of the Muslims,” taxi driver Ennagi İsmailoglu said. “Russia will never want good relations between Turkey and Azerbaijan.”

In the short term, open borders between Turkey and Armenia will benefit Russia, especially in light of the recent war with Georgia, as it will have better access to Armenia where it still has military troops. Russian flights presently carrying ammunition to troops in Armenia are flying all the way from Turkmenistan. Furthermore, it will further isolate Georgia.

Turkey and Azerbaijan forged good relations right after Azerbaijan declared its independence. The Azerbaijani government, under Haydar Aliyev, the father of the current president has been careful not to alienate the Russians. “In fact we have always advised Azerbaijanis to go very careful with Russia, to avoid policies that might anger Russians,” said a Turkish diplomat who is familiar with the early stages of the bilateral relations.

Ever since independence, Azerbaijan has been the scene of rivalry between Turkey and Russia for cultural, economic and political supremacy. Turkey has the advantage of having linguistic, religious and ethnic affinity. The Turkish dialect spoken by the Azerbaijanis is easily understood by Turks. But the Russians have the advantage of having kept Azerbaijan under Soviet domination for half a century. Many Azerbaijanis still speak Russian.

İlham Aliyev, the son of Haydar Aliyev, who took over the government following the death of his father, is still surrounded by the members of the old Soviet cadres. “There is a pro Russian group in the government that is leading an anti Turkish campaign,” Arastun Orujlu, president of the East-West Research Center, said. After the advent of İlham Aliyev, Turkish soldiers were sent back to Turkey, claimed Orujlu. The broadcasting of Turkish soap operas, which are very popular among the Azerbaijani public, were stopped in an effort to avoid the influence of Turkish on the local dialect. “I see no rational in this decision. This came us a result of Russian pressure,” said Nesip Nesibli, of the opposition party Musavat.


Search for identity

Although Turkish officials recognize the presence of what they call “the Soviet-minded officials, who believe the center of the world is still Moscow,” there is not such a perception in Ankara that Azerbaijan is deliberately taken steps to decrease Turkey’s influence. “As Azerbaijani soldiers were also trained in Turkey, they are back in Baku to provide training themselves. The Turkish soldiers have finished their mission in Baku, it is only natural for them to leave Azerbaijan,” said one Turkish official. There is also a relative understanding in Turkish circles for Azerbaijani efforts to keep the local culture away from the cultural influence of Turkey. “At one stage every kid in Azerbaijan was wearing t-shirts of the nationalistic film ‘Valley of the Wolf.” Differences emerged in the language spoken by the grandfather and the grandson,” said a Turkish businessmen living in Baku.

No matter how the two sides’ officials perceive the cultural wars, the fact remains that the recent developments seem to have reinforced the suspicion on the part of the Aliyev administration toward the AKP. “The recent events have shown to us that the motto ‘one nation two states’ has remained only rhetoric. We have not been able to substantiate it,” said Nesibli. “The Turkish government made the mistake of conducting talks with Yerevan without consulting Baku. Our administration, however, made the mistake of making its discontent public, instead of handling it through the diplomatic channels,” Nesibli added, criticizing the decision of Aliyev not to go to Turkey.

“Baku resented the fact that Turkey took them for granted,” one foreign observer said.
“What I see is the need to talk more, we need to be more in touch with each other,” Mollazade said of how to overcome the confidence crisis between the two countries known until recently as strategic partners.


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Karabakh must be part of equation

ISTANBUL -The Foreign Ministry spokesman of Azerbaijan says Turkey and Armenia risk raising tensions in the region if they go ahead with their plans to normalize relations before the dispute over the Armenian occupied Nagorno-Karabakh region inside Azerbaijan is solved.





Azerbaijan warned Turkey and Armenia yesterday that they should only normalize relations if Armenian troops were withdrawn at the same time from a disputed enclave inside Azerbaijan, reported Reuters.

Azerbaijan said Turkey and Armenia risked raising tensions in the region if they went ahead with plans to normalize their relations before the dispute over the Armenian-backed enclave Nagorno-Karabakh inside Azerbaijan was solved.

Turkey and Armenia announced late Wednesday that they had agreed on a framework for normalizing relations, the first of its kind since Turkey closed its border with Armenia in 1993 in protest of the occupation of Nagorno-Karabakh. Following the announcement, Azerbaijan urged its close ally Turkey to link reconciliation efforts with Armenia to the withdrawal of Armenian forces from the disputed region.

Leading the tension

Baku has long insisted that any deal should be contingent on Armenian concessions in the dispute over the ethnic Armenian enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, which separate from Baku control during a war in the early 1990s.

"Every country has the right to establish bilateral relations with other countries," Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry spokesman Elkhan Polukhov told the AFP. "We believe, however, that the normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations must proceed within the context of the withdrawal of Armenian armed forces from Azerbaijan's occupied territories," he said.

"We hope that the process which has begun between Turkey and Armenia will continue in the framework of statements that were made at the highest level in Turkey.

"The opening of the Armenian-Turkish border cannot take place without a process to resolve the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh. Opening the border could lead to tensions in the region and would be contradictory to the interests of Azerbaijan," Polukhov said.

He said it was "too early" to discuss what steps Azerbaijan might take in retaliation.

Azerbaijan, a supplier of oil and gas to the West, fears losing its leverage over Armenia in the dispute if Turkey reopens the border with Armenia and restores full diplomatic relations. Officials have hinted that energy-rich Azerbaijan would consider cutting gas supplies to Turkey if Ankara ignored the Karabakh issue in its talks with Armenia.

Fear of West

Azerbaijan is Europe's key hope for supplying gas for the proposed Nabucco pipeline that would run through Turkey and reduce Europe's energy dependence on Russia. Diplomats fear Baku could reject European overtures and instead sell the gas from phase two of its Shah Deniz field Ğ due to come online by 2014 to Russia for re-export.

"If Azerbaijan feels that Turkey is betraying them, then why would Azerbaijan not move in a Russian direction? And the Russians are offering to buy all their gas at European prices," Svante Cornell, research director at the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute, said.

Last month, Azerbaijani state energy firm Socar signed a memorandum with Russian gas export monopoly Gazprom on starting talks on Russia buying Azerbaijani gas from 2010 for export to Europe.


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Открытие турецко-армянской границы Азербайджан увязывает с решением карабахской проблемы






Переговоры по нормализации армяно-турецких отношений и разработка «дорожной карты» стали предметом широкого обсуждения и в Азербайджане. Баку настаивает на том, чтобы процесс был жестко увязан с разрешением карабахской проблемы. Размолвка между стратегическими партнерами оказалась неприятной, и сглаживать шероховатости взялся премьер-министр Турции Реджеп Тайип Эрдоган.

Рабочий визит Эрдогана в Баку ожидается в любой ближайший день – назрела острая необходимость консультаций с президентом Азербайджана Ильхамом Алиевым. Об этом со ссылкой на самого премьера сообщили практически все информационные источники Турции. В посольстве этой страны в Баку «НГ» подтвердили, что визит состоится, но когда – официальной информации на этот счет пока нет. При этом в пресс-службе посольства заметили, что ситуация прояснится после заседания Совета безопасности Турции, которое состоялось во вторник и было посвящено в том числе вопросу урегулирования отношений с Арменией. По данным турецкой газеты Today's Zaman, именно после этого заседания будут проведены консультации с Баку на высшем уровне.

Пока же тема возможного открытия турецко-армянской границы стала предметом дискуссий и главной темой обсуждений на страницах местных газет. Как заявил журналистам депутат, член постоянной парламентской комиссии по экономической политике Панах Гусейн, «конечно, не хотелось бы, чтобы границы между Турцией и Арменией были открыты до достижения продвижения в нагорнокарабахском конфликте и освобождения оккупированных земель Азербайджана». «Но Турция – суверенное государство. И если она примет решение открыть границы, то о каких-либо санкциях против этой страны не может быть и речи», – заявил он. При этом депутат считает, что «потепление турецко-армянских отношений, ставшее причиной определенного расхождения Баку с Анкарой, не должно повредить дружбе и братству между Азербайджаном и Турцией».

Активные контакты Анкары с Ереваном проходят на фоне интенсификации переговорного процесса по мирному урегулированию армяно-азербайджанского конфликта, о чем свидетельствуют челночные поездки в регион сопредседателей Минской группы (МГ) ОБСЕ.

Накануне сопредседатель от США Мэтью Брайза заявил, что «решение карабахского вопроса возможно в течение ближайших месяцев». «Точно мы не можем этого предсказать, но я надеюсь, что в течение нескольких месяцев это возможно», – сказал дипломат. В то же время Брайза отметил, что «власти США, Франции и России всегда считали, что нормализация отношений между Арменией и Турцией станет полезным развитием для региона». По его словам, этот процесс «также будет способствовать решению карабахской проблемы». «Мы считаем, что оба процесса будут двигаться вперед параллельно, по отдельности, и скорости этого движения будут различными. Об этом свидетельствует то развитие, очевидцем которого становятся сопредседатели», – сказал Мэтью Брайза.

«Оптимистичные выступления сопредседателей МГ ОБСЕ и московские заявления президентов Азербайджана и Армении внушают уверенность в скором решении проблемы... Если руководители Азербайджана и Армении выступают с оптимистическими заявлениями, то мы не вправе им не верить», – считает вице-спикер Милли меджлиса (парламента) Азербайджана Бахар Мурадова.


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Columnist Hasan Kanbolat, an expert on Caucasian politics, disagrees. He explained to Today's Zaman that the opening with Armenia has reached a point where backpedaling is no longer possible. "I think stability and security in the Caucasian region has become a transatlantic issue and both the US and the EU want the problems resolved," he said. Kanbolat believes the ongoing diplomatic process will stay on course despite the public backlash, which he thinks could have been handled much better.

After Russia's invasion of Georgia last year, the West has learned its lesson and will try to nudge both Armenia and Georgia to accept the protective custody of NATO and even of the EU, Kanbolat argued, noting that Turkey has little room to maneuver under the present circumstances. "Even that maneuverability will be limited to conjecture," he stressed.

Commenting on his recent fact-finding mission to Azerbaijan, Yılmaz Ateş, deputy chairman of the CHP, told Today's Zaman that he found Azerbaijan fuming over the prospect of Turkey opening its border with Armenia. "They are very frustrated with the Turkish government because they claim Ankara has kept Baku in the dark on the content of secret talks being held since 2004 through a Swiss intermediary," Ateş noted, saying Azerbaijani officials felt they had been betrayed by a friend.

Ankara has long claimed that Azerbaijani officials are well informed about the talks and have been kept abreast of the latest happenings. Both President Abdullah Gül and Prime Minister Erdoğan have repeatedly made assurances that Turkey would never agree to any settlement with Armenia without resolving the Nagorno-Karabakh problem; however, this does not seem to be working well to alleviate the concerns of Azerbaijani officials. At a meeting with European Commission President José Manuel Barroso on Tuesday, Azerbaijani President İlham Aliyev warned Turkey, "We have the right to re-establish our policy in accordance with the regional realities, and we shall exercise our right."

Explaining what went south in Azerbaijani-Turkish relations, Ateş pointed to the Russian factor. "Moscow handed the details of secret talks between Turkey and Armenia over to Azerbaijan. The details were turned over to the Russians by Armenia," he noted. "We constantly heard from Azerbaijani members of parliament who said, 'Turks should have let us in these secret talks and not gone behind our backs'," Ateş said, recalling his tour of Baku.


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