Ali Garh

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  1. В Армении замeчaтельный и пока единственный прецедент свободных выборов есть.

    Когда электорат всенародно избрал Кривоглазого который привел с собой во власть свору голодных собак.

    У многих из которых интеллект был ниже уровня мексиканского тушкана™.

    Про их моральный облик я уже молчу.

    Теперь вся эта анти-армянская инфекция вернулся уже в новой реинкарнации.

    А молодое поколение политиков которое теперь должно было по идее сменить аршаков садоянов и иже с ним

    у нас представлено в лице Стёпика и агента 007 на службе её Величества, Артуркой Багдасаренко.

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  2. @ Groznenskiy

    Очередной отжиг от Гагика Степаняна.

    Украденная™ зибижанская мелодия исполняется на украденных™ же зибижанских инструментах.

    Композиция под названием: Garabagh Bizimdir

    В украденной™ армянской интерпретации: Heranal Chem Karogh


  3. Специально для тех кого Аллах не осчастливил познаниями в сфере дедуктивного метода.

    Кацевник: цилавек каторый кацуют.

    Кацевник перемещается со своей отарой. В зависимости от темпов потребления травы, кацевник

    сегодня здесь, завтра там - а послезавтра вооооооон уже как далеко.

    (Кое какой кацевный народ вот таким же макаром докацевал от Алтая до Армянского Нагорья.)

    Кацевник не может иметь национальной кухни так как его ландшафт постоянно меняется.

    Кацевник не будет строить тандир по той же причине.

    Единственное что у кацевника гарантировано так это доступ к молоку/мясу тех животных с которыми он кацует.

    Турки например доболтались до того что уже на всех углах трубят про „турецкий кофе“.

    У них что там на Алтае кофейные деревья росли ??? А гуава заодно не росла ?

    То же самое с „турецким" раки. Аказица мусульмане-сюниты взяли и придумали алкогольный напиток !

    А греки со своим узо наверное в это время ещё на Мадакаскаре жили.

    Турецкая кухня это винигрет, пардон за каламбур, из кухонь оседлых народов нашего региона.

    Названия блюд могут быть хоть на габонском. Главное это то что эти блюда здесь готовили

    задолго до того как в наш регион прискакали турки.

    Ещё в новостях: „арах" это не турецкое слово.


  4. Турецкий телесерил Ayrılık в котором израильские оккупанты в упор расстреливают палестинских детей.

    Кадры подаются крупным планом. Сериал транслирует госканал.

    Для наглядности домотайте до 01:55

    П.С. Кстати израильское руководство по поводу фильма от возмущения писает иголками. Но туркам хоть бы ху.


  5. Надо дружить хотя бы для того чтобы до конца познать секреты приготовления (украденной) долмы

    и как с ещё большем выражением испольнять (также украденную) Сари Гялин.

    Заодно если будет плохо лежать, ещё украсть


  6. ....Но никто даже на секунду не мог предположить, что в Москве примут решение о репрессиях такого масштаба...

    ....Но никто даже на секунду не мог предположить, что в Вашингтоне примут решение о репрессиях такого масштаба...

    ....Но никто даже на секунду не мог предположить, что в Брюсселе примут решение о репрессиях такого масштаба...

    ....Но никто даже на секунду не мог предположить, что в Тбилиси примут решение о репрессиях такого масштаба...

    У армян есть замечательная традиция строить дворцы в тех странах где им не мешают заработать.

    Потом меняется полит/экономическая коньюктура или же исторические формации и армянам в очередной раз приходится собираться в дорогу.

    Это тогда когда отары собссно им позволяют вещички собрать.

    А вот в Константинополе не позволили, и теперь стоит этот дворец а чурки алтайские не сном не духом откуда он у них и почему.

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  7. От армян избавились потому что появился удобный повод используя курдско-алтайскую двуногою скотину

    под шумок хаоса первой мировой ликвидировать своих единственных конкурентов.

    А теперь догадайтесь с трех попыток какому народу на просторах империи армяне составляли конкуренцию...

    Закончив же с армянами взяли за жабры уже непосредственно магометан.

    Все эти „революционные преобразования" Мустафы Гомо-Педофила поставили жизнь среднего турка с ног на голову.

    Начиная с того что Коран выбросили в подвал (и недовольных туда же), ещё дальше послали исламский календарь, перешли на латиницу (прощай все написанное

    в османский период), ввели гражданский брак, и реформировали язык из венегрета под унифицированный шаблон.

    И кому поручили решать последнюю задачу ? Спецу по имени Hakob Dilajar...


  8. The Wrench Between the Gears of the Protocols: Direct Action Gets the Goods

    By Babken DerGrigorian

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    October 10th will be a date that goes down in infamy for all Armenians.

    It’s placed on the mantle next to April 24th, December 2nd, December 7th, March 1st, & October 27th.

    These protocols undid with the stroke of a pen, what generations of Armenian activists have fought for; it undermined the national interests of the Republic of Armenia; it undermined our political capital in Washington; it undermined the self-determination of the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh.

    You know this, and I know this. But as the entire Armenian Nation across the world stands in disbelief, there is one question on our mind that we have a hard time coming to terms with: ‘Why?’

    I would like to offer some thoughts of reflection, as well as some thoughts on moving forward.

    As soon as the intentions of the protocols were made public, Armenian communities all over the world condemned them, and when President Serzh Sarkisian came for his Pan-Armenian tour, we all mobilized in the hundreds of thousands to show our opposition.

    One thing was done very well: unification. The voice of the Armenian people was a unified ‘Voch’ (No). From Paris, to New York, to Los Angeles, to Beirut, and especially in Yerevan, we said No and the Armenian Government knows this. Yet despite this unified stance against the protocols, they were signed nonetheless.

    It is clear from these actions that the government of Armenia does not represent the Armenian people–and really, why should they? The Armenian people didn’t elect this government. Setting aside presumptive arguments on dual citizenship, even the Armenian people in Armenia didn’t vote for them, lest we forget the tragic events of March 1st 2008.

    The Republic of Armenia lacks basic democratic values of government accountability.

    This is not news, nor is it shocking, yet we have collectively shied away from this ‘inconvenient truth’ for years, especially when the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) was part of the ruling coalition. Fine; there are arguments on both sides on whether this was or wasn’t justified given the political realities of the time but one thing is certain, it came back to bite us in the proverbial ass.

    Let’s be frank. While we made a lot of noise, we failed because the protocols were signed. The protests were great for way to deal with our emotional outrage, but it didn’t change anyone’s mind. The protocols were signed. The hunger strikers were some of the bravest members of our community. Their dedication was inspiring and we are all extremely proud of their work, but the protocols were signed. We gave passionate speeches and pleaded with Serzh, but the protocols were signed. The ARF threatened to, and then did, resign from the ruling coalition but the protocols were signed.

    The protocols were signed, the protocols were signed, the protocols were signed !

    Which brings us back to the question, why?

    It’s not because we didn’t want it (derailment of the process) bad enough. Nothing says dedication more than 35 youth hunger striking for over 100 hours.

    The protocols were signed because we lacked the strategic points of intervention. Plain and simple.

    What does this mean? It means our actions lacked sufficient leverage to cause the change we wanted. Were they useless? Of course not! But were they successful?

    Unfortunately, the answer to that is also no, at least in the short term. The problem of leverage in the Armenian Government is something the Diaspora has had to figure out for the past 20 years. One such solution to this was to include the ARF in the ruling coalition, despite its proportionally low representation in the parliament. It gave the Armenian Government political capital because of the ARFs transnational nature, and it gave the Diaspora a stake in the government and influence in its policies. Yet ever since the turbulent beginnings of the Sarkisian Administration, the government has made it clear that it seeks to shake itself of this ‘external’ influence.

    At a time when the undemocratic Government of Armenia is acting against the national interests of the country, I say it’s time for the ARF to embrace its position as Armenia’s natural opposition whole heartedly, and challenge power effectively.

    As a transnational opposition, the ARF has much to gain from bringing about true democratic reforms in the country and is uniquely situated to be successful at such a movement.

    I believe the signing of these protocols opens a new chapter in Armenian politics, one that is rooted in democracy.

    Because the real issue at hand is not the protocols, it’s the accountability of the Armenian Government to the Armenian people.

    In case there is any doubt in anyone’s mind, ask yourself this question: Had Armenia held free and fair elections, had the events of March 1st not occurred, would the protocols have been signed, or even existed?

    But that’s all water under the bridge, what’s done is done. What we should be asking is, “What now?”

    First thing we need to do is realize that we have more leverage points than meets the eye.

    While protesting Serzh didn’t change his mind, barricading the Genocide memorial to not allow a photo opportunity is a prime example of a successful and strategic intervention using direct action. It worked!

    What if we barricaded ourselves to the doors of the consulate? What if we barricaded ourselves to the doors of the Beverly Hilton. The tactics of non-violent direct action (NVDA) that have been carefully developed by scholars such as Gene Sharp and perfected by activists all over the world would do us much good and will become more relevant as we fight for an accountable Armenian Government.

    It goes without saying but our sisters and brothers in Armenia have the most leverage to gain and exploit by utilizing these tactics, so long as it is part of a larger strategic vision.

    Let us be responsible organizers here with a few words on direct action. NVDA is a tactic, not a strategy. It should only be used if it moves you closer to your goal. We should not elevate a tactic to the level of a strategy. If it doesn’t suit your purpose, then shake off the romantic feelings of barricading yourself. If you don’t the cops certainly will.

    But let’s also acknowledge and put into practice the scores of scholarly work on power and social movements that present compelling arguments for pursuing this path. Gene Sharp’s work on such topics has been translated to over 30 languages, including Azeri, Farsi, and Georgian, and has been cited by the US Institute of Peace as the intellectual groundwork responsible for the success of the OTPOR movement in Serbia, which galvanized an entire country to remove Slobodan Milocoviç from power.

    And let us not forget the works of Ghandi and his salt marches, or the now legendary events of Seattle ‘99, where the World Trade Organization rounds were successfully halted by activists due to strategic uses of NVDA.

    Indeed, NVDA has proven to be most successful when the adversary lacks mechanisms of accountability. I believe we’re at a stage now, where these tactics will increasingly be more useful and will bear fruit for our cause in opening up larger political leverage points, especially by our sisters and brothers in Armenia.

    As soon as we pick up our collective jaws off the floor, I hope we can start to think strategically about what our next steps are, and how we can use our community’s social and financial power to increase our leverage against the unaccountable, undemocratic, government of Armenia.

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  9. Вначале скопытился Томас „Сионович“ Лантос.

    Будучи много лет в комитете по межународным делам конгресса товагищ Лантос напоскудничал армянам немерено.

    Теперь в частный сектор неожидано решил уйти Робертино Векслер.

    Со-председатель общества дружбы с Турцией в конгрессе США.

    Умиляет то что талмудисты представлены чуть ли не через одного именно в комитете по международным делам.

    Причем их профпригодность в этом плане по всей видимости вообще дело 10-е.

    Но мы отвлеклись от Робика.

    А уходит он в новую контору которая будет заниматься, кхе, про-израильским активизмом.

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    The 17,000 spectators at Bursa’s Atatürk Stadium watching the 2010 World Cup qualifying group match did their best to avoid trouble on Wednesday, but it was hardly proof that Bursa or Turkish football fans have lots of common sense, since the lack of trouble was more the result of extraordinarily strict security measures implemented by the government, local authorities and the Turkish Football Federation than the attitude of fans.

    As previously reported, tickets for the game were not sold and were distributed through a dubious scheme. Apart from 5,000 given to Teksas, the famous supporters’ group of local side Bursaspor, the tickets were handed out by the governorship of Bursa.

    Hundreds of fans were desperately hoping to find tickets outside the stadium before the kickoff, but they lost hope when the doors closed half an hour before the game, leaving even ticket holders outside.

    Although not officially confirmed, it was reported that a remarkable number of tickets were to be distributed to soldiers and police officers. Whatever was done, it worked. Ultra-nationalist groups were not there to stage an organized protest as many had feared. Even if they were present, they probably would not have had a chance to voice their discontent over the normalization process as there were reportedly 3,000 policemen on duty inside and outside the stadium. Any spectator would have gone through at least four security checks before gaining entry. All political banners were banned, although some Azerbaijani flags, which were a subject of pregame debate, apparently managed to sneak in despite police efforts. These were waved by those who believe that Ankara “betrayed” Baku when starting talks with Yerevan, but there were definitely fewer than expected, considering the coverage the flag flap had in the build-up to the game. However, it should be noted that Bursa hailed “the country’s sibling” by chanting Azerbaijan in the second half of the game.

    The cause of considerable electricity at the pitch was the unfurling of the Armenian flag and the chants sung by visiting journalists in the first half of the game. The booing was so powerful that an eight-year-old boy near this Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review reporter had to ask his father why they did not like the Armenians.

    “Turkey and Armenia had a war in the past, that’s why,” the father replied.

    “Did we win?” the boy asked.

    The father indicated a proud yes with his head, capping a very brief history lesson taught in a very Turkish way.

    The Armenian flag also caused a stir in the press area as well, since an Azerbaijani reporter asked Turkish Football Federation officials to intervene in the situation. However, Turkish journalists stood up and supported the right of their Armenian peers to cheer, causing a brief argument between them and the federation officials. Finally, the Armenian journalists were taken out of the press area and placed with the Armenian fans in their section of the stands.

    However, it should be added that there was no fierce hostility toward Armenians during the game. True, there was the usual booing when the opponents’ national anthem was played and the occasional cry of “Stand up if you are not an Armenian!” It is offensive in its way, but come to any football stadium in Turkey for a league game on any given weekend and you will hear many versions of this chant sung to insult the opposing Turkish side.

    Furthermore, praise is due to Teksas for planning a wonderful gesture: Some 10 white doves were released to fly above the stadium right before the kickoff, hopefully not just in a clear reference to peace, but also to hail Hrant Dink, the Turkish journalist of Armenian descent assassinated on Jan. 17, 2007 in Istanbul. One of Dink’s last articles compared his feelings to “a dove's skittishness.”


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    Я не сомневался даже на пол-секунды что основной поток вони и подлянок будут идти от 0бшеронских обижников.

    Заостренное чувство нарушенной территориальной целостности к ним обычно приходят тогда когда группа

    армян в составе офицальной делегации подает в Гейдаракенд.

    Так теперь они ещё и Турцию освоили.

    Во время тур-экспо в Москве у стенда Карабаха работала молодая девочка.

    Так эти шакалы облепели её и начали что-то тискать.

    Во главе с красноглазым гётвиряном который Путину вопрос задавал про ташнакски акупасия.

    Короче толкали они ей что-то пока армянские мужики не подрулили.

    А сейчас автобус с армянскими журналистами камнями забросали. Ну прямо как в 1988 году, епти.

    Возникает вопрос, а почему они бежали до спасительного вертолета впереди женщин и детей лижь бы

    успеть унести ноги из Кельбаджара ?


  12. Баку и Москва подписывают газовый контракт в день визита Сержа Саргсяна в Турцию

    14 октября, в день визита президента Армении Сержа Саргсяна в Турцию, Баку и Москва подписали контракт о поставках азербайджанского газа в Россию. Среднесрочный контракт был подписан компанией SOCAR (Госнефтекомпания Азербайджана) и российским «Газпромом» сегодня, 14 октября, в Баку. Под документом свои подписи поставили глава «Газпрома» Алексей Миллер и президент компании SOCAR Ровнаг Абдуллаев.

    Напомним, документ об основных условиях контракта купли-продажи азербайджанского природного газа был подписан компаниями в ходе визита президента России Дмитрия Медведева в Баку. Переговоры о возможности закупки азербайджанского газа «Газпром» начал с 2008 года, к переговорам по согласованию условий купли-продажи сырья стороны приступили в марте.

    Стоит отметить, что главным транзитным маршрутом для Азербайджана является Турция. Однако на фоне потепления армяно-турецких отношений, азербайджанская сторона демонстрирует Анкаре возможные риски, в частности, в виде переориентации энергетической политики.

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  13. „Очевидно что армяне положили глаз на Арарат. И даже стамбульские армяне с радостью

    к ним присоединятся и начнут за него с нами войну.“

    Зибижанско-турецкая бабанька из пограничного с Арменией поселка

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  14. Baku: Deal casts shadow over brotherly ties with Turkey

    The Azerbaijani capital slammed its ally Ankara on Sunday for agreeing to normalize ties with Yerevan, suggesting that the protocols signed by Armenia and Turkey have cast a shadow over the relationship between Ankara and Baku.

    “The normalization of relations between Turkey and Armenia before the withdrawal of Armenian forces from occupied Azerbaijani territory is in direct contradiction with the interests of Azerbaijan and casts a shadow over the spirit of brotherly relations between Azerbaijan and Turkey, built on deep historical roots,” the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry said in a written statement.

    Only hours before the Turkish and Armenian foreign ministers were due to sign the protocols at a ceremony held in Zurich late on Saturday to establish diplomatic relations and open their sealed border, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan told reporters his country was showing “goodwill” to restore ties with Armenia. But he said Turkey was keen on seeing Armenian troops withdrawn from Nagorno-Karabakh, an Armenian-occupied enclave in Azerbaijan that has been a center of regional tension. “We are trying to boost our relations with Armenia in a way that will cause no hard feelings for Azerbaijan,” Erdoğan told reporters.

    Turkey closed the frontier with Armenia in 1993 in solidarity with fellow Muslim country Azerbaijan, then at war with Armenian-backed ethnic Armenians in the breakaway mountain region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

    “As we have repeatedly noted, the definition of relations of one state with others is the sovereign right of the state. However, normalization of relations between Turkey and Armenia before the withdrawal of Armenian forces from occupied Azerbaijani territory is in direct contradiction with the interests of Azerbaijan. ... Taking into account the importance of opening all borders and communications in the region, Azerbaijan believes that the opening of the Turkish-Armenian border unilaterally calls into question the structure of peace and stability in the region,” the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry said.

    The statement also recalled remarks by Erdoğan delivered in the Azerbaijani parliament in May.

    “Turkey closed its border with Armenia after its occupation of Azerbaijani lands. The boundaries can be opened after the removal of the occupation. As long as the requirements of our Azerbaijani brothers are not satisfied, we will not retreat from this position one step. It is interconnected and cannot be considered separately,” the statement quoted Erdoğan saying at the time.

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  15. Новости с фронта карманного бильярда футбольной дипломатии.

    Кебабчи Эрдоган заявил что „мы должны продемонстрировать настоящее турецкое гостеприимство“.

    Армянскую сборную будут охранять 300 ментов.

    На стадионе и вокруг будет уже 3000 ментов. Из них 500 ментов в гражданке будут среди болельщиков.

    Национальные флаги снова разрешили. Но только флаги а не плакаты, включая флаг Олбано-Каспийской Республики.

    Делается это с целью минимизировать возможность провокаций со стороны ветеранов обороны Кировобада и всяких разных бозгюрдов курдского закваса.

    В случае если провокации все же будут иметь место, зачинщики будут тут же удалятся на безопасное от стадиона место.

    Гонахлых на который Абдула „Андатровая Шапка“ Гюл планировал пригласить Сержа в Стамбуле отменен армянской стороной.

    Он кясар полетит на игру.

    Где Сержа ожидают жаренные каштаны, прохладительные напитки и общая атмосфера пях пяха.


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    В лучших традициях алтайского купи/продая они выставили стенд со стоимостью проекта который видно даже из космоса.

    Патриарх попросил чтобы восстановили на куполе кресты. Причем бумага ушла в Министерство Культуры ))))

    Тамошние недоумки долго думали что ответить и наконец решили отфутболить его в МИД Турции ))))))))

    Откуда другая группа недоумков заявила Мутафяну:

    Мы даже на Софийском Соборе крестов на разрешаем !

    И вообще зачем музею кресты ?


  17. Кто не в курсе как протекал дешевый спектакль по „реставрации и открытию“ Ахтамара.

    Работами занимались алтайские чобаны.

    Церковь армянскому патриархату не передали, соответственно службы там проводить невозможно.

    Здание превратрили в - кхе - „музей". (Что они там демонстрируют, не армянские кости случаем ?)

    Собственно в этом плане их уже опередели апшеронские брадиа.

    В остальном, комплекс неполноценности бил через край чему свидельствуют нациоальные флаги и портреты Мустафы Гомо-Педофила

    пришпандоренные ко всему что не попадя.

    Спасибо хоть на том что патриарха Мутафяна, которого охраняла группа снайперов, ещё не додумались закутать в турецкий флаг.

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  18. А теперь дадим слово сопредседателю армяно-турецкого бизнес-совета, специалисту по софт-мугаму Каану Сояку.

    (Он повторяет все то о чем я предупреждал вчера...)

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    The Turkish co-president of the Turkish-Armenian Business Development Council (TABDC), Kaan Soyak, has asserted that debates over the Armenian resolution in the US Congress have turned into a kind of industry and that groups earning large amounts of money from this business are exerting serious efforts to ensure the problems continue.

    Soyak, noting that the re-opening of the Armenian Akhtamar church in Lake Van would lead to developments in Turkish-Armenian trade relations, also asserted that the Turkish government needs to better explain some of the investments it has made in the name of trying to come up with solutions to the ongoing problems.

    Soyak, who works as a consultant on the Middle East for US security firms and who has been a frequent traveler between Turkey and Armenia, made a series of striking statements to Today’s Zaman about Turkish-US relations and about the “Armenian genocide resolution” before the US Congress. “If the resolution passes, it will harm both countries. Groups who don’t want to see reconciliation between Turkey and Armenia are keeping this subject on the agenda. The events that have thus far occurred have turned into an industry of sorts. There are great numbers of books, films and projects related to this subject. Both societies have formed organizations focusing on this issue that raise and collect funds. There is a diaspora that has created its identity out of the Armenian problem. This resolution is necessary for this community to stay alive. The passage of this resolution is necessary for them to carry on with their lives. I have been visiting Armenia now for the past 10 years. Armenia’s priority is not the passage of this resolution. Armenia’s priority is to open up the border crossing, but the diaspora won’t even mention this.

    Third parties who don’t even have a connection to this business are making money from it. Whenever the Armenian question rises to the agenda, certain people come knocking at Turkey’s door, trying to take advantage of certain subjects,” Soyak said.

    Soyak pointed to the fact that Armenia itself has made no attempts to get the resolution before the US Congress passed, noting that this is a sign of how tied Armenia’s economic structure is to the existence of the diaspora. “They cannot say ‘no’ to the resolution because their economy is tied to a large extent to the outside world. It’s also important not to forget the large flow of money out of California and the Russia factor, too. Up until today Armenia has not been involved in any sort of effort to see this resolution passed. There aren’t even any Armenian officials who come here to lobby. If Turkey could reach an agreement with Armenia, Armenia could tell the diaspora not to get involved in the matter and say, ‘We are straightening out our relations.’ As for the diaspora, it has a need for Armenia. For Turkey to say it finally agrees with Armenia would mean that the diaspora’s most important point of solidarity would be erased.

    Which is why the diaspora wants to see the borders closed and for there to be no agreements made,” he stated.

    While the Armenian diaspora has for years and years used the advantage of being in the US, the rising numbers in the Turkish population mean that it too will soon be a powerful entity in the US, Soyak noted. He also spoke about the considerable number of Turkish-US and Armenian-US friendship groups in the US Congress and then went on to make this unorthodox suggestion: “There are around 70 members of Congress in the Turkish-US friendship group, and around 170 congressment in the Armenian-US friendship group. If these 240 people could only come together, they could carry through on some serious work. This would also mean the possible passage of all sorts of decisions through Congress. There could in particular be some major steps in the textile sector. Turkey would be able to sell products without being limited by any quotas. It would also be possible to use Armenia’s experience in the textile trade. What the coming together of these two groups would form would be an Anatolian-US friendship group.”

    He also mentioned the slogans shouted by crowds during the funeral proceedings for slain Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink, noting that the controversial “We are all Armenians” was a significant gesture by the people. Soyak added that he could not understand the problems now between the two societies. He explained that he had participated in the New York ceremonies in memory of Dink, saying that there had been a remembrance service at an Armenian church on 35th Avenue on the 40th day after his death. He recalled: “I was the only Turkish person attending the program. It was a ceremony that included images from Dink’s funeral in İstanbul, when people were shouting slogans; there was also halva passed around. There are no other Christian groups that pass out halva after a funeral. I do not understand how two societies which so resemble each other could have so many problems.”

    Soyak also spoke about how he watched the Turkey-Brazil match in the Armenian capital and related an interesting experience from that day: “I watched the Turkey-Brazil match in Yerevan. At the hotel I was staying in, the foreign diplomats were all supporting Brazil. As for the Armenians, they wanted the Turks to win. I passed out Turkish T-shirts I had with me to the Armenians watching the match. Everyone put on their T-shirts, and starting yelling ‘Turkey!’”

    The earthquake disaster Turkey experienced in 1999 brought the two countries’ relations closer together, said Soyak. “The first offer of help after the 1999 earthquake came from Armenia. Armenia was going to send an airplane full of personnel and rescue assistance. The government we had at the time rejected this assistance. At that point the military’s General Staff got involved and arranged for the aid from Armenia to be sent. At the same time Turkish citizens living in the US carried out an assistance campaign to help those affected by the earthquake in Turkey, raising $600,000. But ethnically Armenian US citizen Kirk Kerkorian on his own donated $1 million to the earthquake disaster. The Turkish ambassador in Washington at that time knew about this. The assistance was sent through the Red Cross,” he noted.

    Soyak noted that while he has found recent efforts by the Turkish government with regards to bettering relations with Armenia positive, he still thinks Ankara needs to learn how to explain more clearly what steps it is taking. The business points to places like Akdamar Island in Van Like and Ani near the Armenian border as places critical for the development of not only dialogue but trade. If Turkey’s trade relations with Armenia increased, asserted Soyak, all the other problems would also be easier to deal with. “At this point, we have an annual $100 million worth of trade with Armenia. If the borders were opened up, this would climb to $400 million annually, and it would contribute much to bilateral relations,” he said.

    He also spoke about a group trip made by 150 Armenians to Turkey in 2001 and how this group all went to Lake Van, filled plastic bottles with water from the lake and took them back to the US. He noted: “We asked 250 people coming to Armenia from the Armenian diaspora, ‘If the borders with Turkey were open today, would you want to go to places like Akdamar and Ani?’ Everyone answered ‘yes.’ I heard straight from the mouth of Alparslan Turkes, ‘When the Turks arrived in Anatolia in 1071, the Armenians took them in and together they fought against the soldiers from the Roman Empire’.”

    Soyak said his organization has seen support from every faction and that they base their views as being against anything which creates problems between Turkey and Armenia. “We don’t have any political beliefs as an organization. When we come together with our Armenian members, we don’t discuss history. There is a need for reconciliation and for these two peoples to get to know each other better. Turkey is a great nation. Great nations make gestures. Opening up the borders with Armenia would be one such gesture. Since Turkey is such a large nation, it could clarify the conditions under which it would do this.”


  19. На пути к правовому государству "наезды"-то как раз и неуместны.

    На пути к правовому государству важны оценки именно с правовой точки зрения.

    Всякий, кого берут "за жопу", начинает апеллировать к Закону.

    Все эти разговоры по предсказуемости и „свежести" напоминают мессионерскую позу.

    Остоипало. Лрджов.

    Нельзя живя в стране с полит-традициями и дискорсом субтропической Африки постоянно травить себя разочарованиями.

    То что имется в предложении на армянском полит-рынке это показатель того максимума который могло родить из себя общество.

    Как грица чем богаты, сори.

    Кстати я хорошо помню те перепитии которые пережил в обществе К. Демирчян как политик.

    Когда уходил он был гангстером-комунякой при котором всё и вся стало на продажу.

    Потом вернулся уже как Карен „Шинарар" Демирчян.

    А после того как его завалили, взлетел чуть ли не до статуса мученика Сурб Карена.

    Если люди которых Кривоглазый пустил по миру, через 15 лет вновь отдают ему свои голоса - каково ментальное состояние этого общества ?


  20. ^^^

    Надо сделать подфорум:

    Как Нам Обустроить Армению

    В нем нынешние избиратели страны будут делать наезды на не любимых кандидатов/партий друг друга.

    На тернистом пути к идеальному правовому государству, так сказать.

    А те юзеры кто в диаспоре в это время могут прикорнуть. Шоб не мешать...

    На крайняк можно послушать стариную алтайскую мелодию Шалахо.