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ПРИСУТСТВИЕ АРМЯНСКИХ СИЛ В ИРАКЕ НЕ ОПРАВДАНО

Однако наша страна пострадает, если не выполнит обещание направить в Ирак группу из 50 специалистов

В поздравительном послании, направленном 21 сентября Роберту Кочаряну по случаю Дня независимости Армении, Джордж Буш напомнил: "Я особенно благодарен Армении за поддержку в антитеррористической борьбе".

Ранее во время первой пресс-конференции новый посол США в Армении Джон Эванс сказал: "Мы приветствуем инициативу Армении направить в Ирак саперов и врачей. Размещенные в Ираке многонациональные силы сталкиваются с множеством проблем, и помощь Армении в этом вопросе очень важна".

Если НС Армении не отклонит решение правительства направить контингент в Ирак, то в конце текущего года или начале 2005 года наши 50 специалистов направятся в Ирак. "Армения с первых дней заявила, что не согласна иметь военное присутствие в Ираке. Мы говорили, что хотим внести свой вклад в дело восстановления Ирака, в гуманитарной сфере. Сегодня то, что обсуждается, входит в круг гуманитарных задач. Однако окончательного решения пока не принято. Национальное собрание должно дать свое согласие", - сказал на состоявшейся на днях пресс-конференции Вардан Осканян.

Обещание направить в Ирак 50 саперов и врачей можно считать осуществленным. Безусловно, парламент, который находится под контролем Роберта Кочаряна и Сержа Саргсяна, теоретически может сказать "нет". Это означает, что против отправки в Ирак специалистов выступает официальный Ереван. Оправдано ли присутствие армянского контингента в Ираке - покажет время. Однако было бы неправильным однозначно отказаться от обещания, данного США и "загубить" вопрос, по примеру Турции, в парламенте.

Армянский контингент разместится в центральной части Ирака, который, который находится под контролем польских сил. В этом районе не прекращаются столкновения между повстанцами и силами коалиции. В зоне польской ответственности разместились военные из Украины (около 1700 человек), Болгарии (485 человек), Сальвадора (380 человек), Литвы (45 человек). По положению на 22 сентября погибло 13 польских военных, 8 украинских, 6 болгарских и 1 сальвадорский военный.

Начиная со дня вторжения и оккупации Ирака, США и союзники потеряли около 1200 военных, а число жертв среди мирного иракского населения и повстанцев доходит до 14 тысяч. Жизнь направляющихся в Ирак армян также не может быть гарантирована. Последние месяцы почти каждый день иракские повстанцы берут в заложники представителей коалиционных сил (и не только) и часто обезглавливают их. Представляете, какой будет реакция, если на арабском сайте вдруг будет показан тот момент, когда армянский заложник умоляет власти Армении вывести из Ирака армянский контингент?

Власти Армении окажутся в довольно-таки затруднительном положении, так как в случае выполнения требования повстанцев американцы обвинят власти Армении в потакании угрозам террористов. Заметим, что пять стран - членов коалиции - Испания, Филиппины, Гондурас, Никарагуа и Доминиканская Республика уже вывели войска из Ирака, чем вызвали недовольство США, более того, поставлены под сомнение тесные военно-стратегические взаимоотношения США- Испания, США-Филиппины.

50 армянских саперов и врачей не могут оказать существенное воздействие на ситуацию в Ираке. По положению на данный момент численность контингента США и коалиции более 150 тысяч. Армянское участие имеет сугубо политическое значение. Фактически, Вашингтон запутался в иракском лабиринте и нуждается в пропаганде, чтобы показать, что коалиция не размежевывается.

Армянское присутствие в Ираке может быть оправдано, может быть, в региональном аспекте. Две соседние республики безоговорочно содействуют США в антитеррористической борьбе. Азербайджан направил в Ирак контингент, состоящий из 151 военных, а Грузия - 159, причем в октябре с.г. численность грузинских военных достигнет 300, а позднее - 550. Последние годы территория Азербайджана и Грузии служила убежищем для некоторых международных террористов. И, помогая США, Тбилиси и Баку, фактически, пользуются политической поддержкой Вашингтона.

Вышеупомянутые доводы подсказывают, что Армения обязана выполнить обещание, данное США и направить в Ирак врачей и саперов. В противном случае будет поставлена точка в развивающихся в последние годы армяно-американских отношениях.

С другой стороны, присутствие армянских сил в Ираке может стать серьезной угрозой для Армении и армянства в арабском мире. Первое: отправляя в Ирак наших сограждан, под угрозу ставится их жизнь. Второе: под угрозой оказывается будущее 20-тысячной иракской армянской общины. Иракские армяне по разным поводам намекали, что в случае участия Армении в коалиции они окажутся в затруднительном положении. Трудно сказать, каким будет итог американской агрессии в Ираке. В любом случае, арабский мир считает агрессором и американцев и страны коалиции. По сути, содействуя американскому агрессору, Армения может поставить в затруднительное положение будущее армянской общины в арабских странах.

И, наконец, самое главное: Армения, как союзник США в антитеррористической борьбе, может стать мишенью для террористов. К счастью, нашей республике пока удалось избежать этого зла, не имея никакого опыта борьбы с ним, ни финансовых средств для этого. Хотя исключение составляют, пожалуй, два случая, когда на граничащем с Грузией Баграташенском рынке произошли два террористических акта, унесшие жизни более двух десятков человек. Сегодня, благодаря Бушу, террористы собрались в Ираке. Однако, может случиться так, что в будущем часть из них найдет пристанище в Азербайджане, что произошло в годы карабахской войны.

Не стоит забывать также, что сегодня в мире идет борьба между исламским радикализмом и христианскими империалистическими странами. Во всяком случае, так воспринимается в исламском мире. А христианская Армения с четырех сторон окружена мусульманами.

По публикации Татула Акопяна

AZG Armenian Daily #169, 28/09/2004

Hayeren [email protected] kareli e kardal ays hasceum: http://azg.am/?lang=AR&num=2004092803

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Our troops will get good training and return back home as better specialists. It's all about experience.

You shouldn't worry about what some towelheads might think of it...

Bro, the thing is that that we have 30, 000 Armenian population living in Iraq.

One of the Armenian Churches of Iraq was partly blown up a few months ago due to the fact that it was a Christian Church. On the other hand, we are in very good relationships with the Arabic world and Armenian quarters of those countries are highly respected by the natives.

By the way, the Armenian Archbishop of Iraq has advised the Armenian Government Not to send troops to Iraq.....

I hope everything will be ok.

Please read the article if yu have not done so yet.

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Bro, the thing is that that we have 30, 000 Armenian population living in Iraq.

One of the Armenian Churches of Iraq was partly blown up a few months ago due to the fact that it was a Christian Church. On the other hand, we are in very good relationships with the Arabic world and Armenian quarters of those countries are highly respected by the natives.

By the way, the Armenian Archbishop of Iraq has advised the Armenian Government Not to send troops to Iraq.....

I hope everything will be ok.

Please read the article if yu have not done so yet.

Armenians have no business livin in Iraq, they should pack their bags and get the hell out of that poor excuse for a country.

Yeah we have "good" relations with them because of common enemies at this time. Doesn't mean we like them. We back the Kurds too you know.

Who do you call the natives? The dune coons? Those Christian lands belong to and the descendants of Assyrians, Babylonians & Phoenicians. Arabs are natives of the Arabian Peninsula not Mesopotamia. They are savage and primitive barbarian occupiers just like the turks in Anatolia occupier

Btw the few Armenians sent there wont aren't really soldiers, they are just their to demine and help the so called "Iraqi people". I'm sure Oskanian knows what he's doing.

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Armenians have no business livin in Iraq, they should pack their bags and get the hell out of that poor excuse for a country.

Yeah we have "good" relations with them because of common enemies at this time. Doesn't mean we like them. We back the Kurds too you know.

Who do you call the natives? The dune coons? Those Christian lands belong to and the descendants of Assyrians, Babylonians & Phoenicians. Arabs are natives of the Arabian Peninsula not Mesopotamia. They are savage and primitive barbarian occupiers just like the turks in Anatolia occupier

Btw the few Armenians sent there wont aren't really soldiers, they are just their to demine and help the so called "Iraqi people". I'm sure Oskanian knows what he's doing.

Dear, first of all it is ridiculas to talk about Arabs and Turks from the same point. Second, Oscanian is the Minister of Foreign Affairs not the primate of te Armenian Army, nor the president. Actually, parliament has got to make the last decision.

The vocabulary definition for native is not only "Descendants of the histiorical owners", by the way.

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Dear, first of all it is ridiculas to talk about Arabs and Turks from the same point. Second, Oscanian is the Minister of Foreign Affairs not the primate of te Armenian Army, nor the president. Actually, parliament has got to make the last decision.

The vocabulary definition for native is not only "Descendants of the histiorical owners", by the way.

He initiated the whole thing.

In that case turks are "natives" of Anatolia :/

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He initiated the whole thing.

In that case turks are "natives" of Anatolia :/

I agree that I should have used other word instead of "natives", but you still shouldnt compare Arabs and Turks, because they are not the same.

You call yourself "nationalist" and you use "Anatolia" term?

If nationalist, Armenian or ....?

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My point of view is - We don't need that shit!

It's better not so send any kind of troups to Iraq. When you put it on a balance, the risk (and by risk, I mean any kind of potential harm to armenians all over the wolrd) is just not worth the experiance and the traning that few hundred solgers might get. [email protected]$k it! Let Brits and Americans clean their shit and deal with the after war terrorism that they are going to be target of!

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I agree that I should have used other word instead of "natives", but you still shouldnt compare Arabs and Turks, because they are not the same.

You call yourself "nationalist" and you use "Anatolia" term?

If nationalist, Armenian or ....?

Or?

You do realize that not all of Anatolia is Armenia right?

You can't be an Armenian Nationalist unless you're a citizen of Armenia or live and pay taxes in Armenia. Therefore if one is neither it will be quite hypocritical and disloyal to identify oneself as an Armenian Nationalist.

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Or?

You do realize that not all of Anatolia is Armenia right?

You can't be an Armenian Nationalist unless you're a citizen of Armenia or live and pay taxes in Armenia. Therefore if one is neither it will be quite hypocritical and disloyal to identify oneself as an Armenian Nationalist.

of course, I understand what you menat by "Anatolia". But "Anatolia" is politicized thing, you, perhaps, know that.

and what about those who are Armenian citiznes, live in Armenia and pay taxes, but hate their national values and their culture? Are they still "nationalist"?

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of course, I understand what you menat by "Anatolia". But "Anatolia" is politicized thing, you, perhaps, know that.

Sure it is, but I rather label the region Anatolia than "turkey" if you know what I mean.

and what about those who are Armenian citiznes, live in Armenia and pay taxes, but hate their national values and their culture? Are they still "nationalist"?

Certainly not.

Our job is to decrease their numbers in ROA and elsewhere.

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My point of view is - We don't need that shit!

It's better not so send any kind of troups to Iraq.  When you put it on a balance, the risk (and by risk, I mean any kind of potential harm to armenians all over the wolrd)  is just not worth the experiance and the traning that few hundred solgers might get.  [email protected]$k it!  Let Brits and Americans clean their shit and deal with the after war terrorism that they are going to be target of!

:yes: :yes: :yes: I fully agree with you, Jazz. WE've no rights to do it. It's very dangerous for our nation.

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Не согласен с праведным гневом. Участие в этой американской авантюре приносит (уже приносит) нам ощутимые выгоды (не спрашивайте какие, не скажу). А перемещения армян внутри диаспоры меня например мало волнует. Ну пусть армяне Ирака переедут в Америку или еще куда, какая разница?

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не спрашивайте какие, не скажу

Почемуже? Многим будет интересно узнать какова эта польза. (хотябо приблизительно)

А перемещения армян внутри диаспоры меня например мало волнует

ахр, я не про перемешение, а про потенциальную угрозу. Я понемаю что он в Ираке, что он в Зимбабве это погоду не меняет, но когда в Ираке взорвали Армнянскую церков это уже о себе о чомто говорит. Я также понемаю что эту церковь не взовали потому что там именно армяне, а просто потому что христианских объект. Но все же, зачем злить Иракский народ на себя?

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Не согласен с праведным гневом. Участие в этой американской авантюре приносит (уже приносит) нам ощутимые выгоды (не спрашивайте какие, не скажу). А перемещения армян внутри диаспоры меня например мало волнует. Ну пусть армяне Ирака переедут в Америку или еще куда, какая разница?

Irak sased Turcii, to Zapadnoy Armenii, i migraciya s Iraka v Ameriku eto strategicheskiy xaos dlya armyanskogo naroda. V Amerike i Evrope assimilaciya prostoe delo, a v arabskix stranax armyane ostayutysa armyanami.

Neujeli eto tak trudno ponyat?

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Irak sased Turcii, to Zapadnoy Armenii, i migraciya s Iraka v Ameriku eto strategicheskiy xaos dlya armyanskogo naroda. V Amerike i Evrope assimilaciya prostoe delo, a v arabskix stranax armyane ostayutysa armyanami.

Neujeli eto tak trudno ponyat?

:no:

They eat Arab food, listen to Arab music and have a stone age Arab mentality.

Mixed race marriages are on a rise, the mongrel products of which can never ever again be Armenian.

Their language is corrupted by Arabic words to an extent where they're not sure anymore which words are Armenian.

All they have is a Middle Easternized Armenian identity which has degressed into a title for social classification.

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:no:

They eat Arab food, listen to Arab music and have a stone age Arab mentality.

Mixed race marriages are on a rise, the mongrel products of which can never ever again be Armenian.

Their language is corrupted by Arabic words to an extent where they're not sure anymore which words are Armenian.

All they have is a Middle Easternized Armenian identity which has degressed into a title for social classification.

Oh common it is radiculas, do not forget that Asala was born in Lebanon.

Bro you are missinformed. Find some diaspora Armenians and talk to them. Your anti-arabic bias is unjustified.

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Oh common it is radiculas, do not forget that Asala was born in Lebanon.

Bro you are missinformed. Find some diaspora Armenians and talk to them. Your anti-arabic bias is unjustified.

I am a Diaspora Armenian, born in the States lol

I'm sorry bros but it is you who is ignorant in these matters. Show me one sentence from the above post that is incorrect.

Who cares where ASALA was formed? Lebanese are far from Arabs. They just happen to speak Arabic, likewise Mexicans are not Spaniards.

How can one not be anti-Arabic when they are responsible for the mess we are in equally if not more than Turks. If it wasn't for their centuries of occupation and rape of our lands and nation we would have easily stopped the Seljuk advances.

Just curious, do you understand the following sentence: Agas ghafas indoor che, ishalla lan, lmncan gharnabitner mh, gas gor ne yallah mdig ereh.

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I am a Diaspora Armenian, born in the States lol

I'm sorry bros but it is you who is ignorant in these matters. Show me one sentence from the above post that is incorrect.

Who cares where ASALA was formed? Lebanese are far from Arabs. They just happen to speak Arabic, likewise Mexicans are not Spaniards.

How can one not be anti-Arabic when they are responsible for the mess we are in equally if not more than Turks. If it wasn't for their centuries of occupation and rape of our lands and nation we would have easily stopped the Seljuk advances.

Just curious, do you understand the following sentence: Agas ghafas indoor che, ishalla lan, lmncan gharnabitner mh, gas gor ne yallah mdig ereh.

1. I think it is quite clear that I have meant Diaspora Armenians from Middle East in my previous post, not Diasporans from other places.

2. The information you mentioned in your previous posting relating to Diaspora Armenians living in Middle East does not include source(s), and is more your personal point rather than information. Thus, your point cannot be true or untrue, but it can be argued with. Therefore, "Show me one sentence from the above post that is incorrect." claims to be rhetorical. I do not agree with your statements, because

a. My Grandparents were born and raised in Syria, they spoke excellent Armenian

b. I have more than 10 families in Middle Eastern Arabic countries, all of them speak and write Armenian excellent. Moreover, some of them do not know Arabic very well.

c. I do not prefer an Armenian to be "corrupted" by English rather than by Arabic.

d. Armenian and Arabic food are similiar. If you prefer McDonalds and not Dorma or Tabule, you have the right to do so, go for it.

e. More than 90% of Middle Eastern Armenian Diasporans (mostly born Not in Armenia) speak Armenian.

f. I was in Washington D.C. in April, 2004 participating in the "National Conference and Banquet" by Armenian Assembly of America, and most of the participants whom I met of the event, born in America, did not speak Armenian at all.

3. Dear Sir, could you please make it clear what do you mean by "Who cares were ASALA was formed....?" Is your irony toward ASALA or Lebanon in that sentence?

4. If our nation is in trouble, it does not mean we have to blame somebody for it. If we are destroying our home, nobody is going to build it for us. Yes, hitorically, we had problems with Arabs several hundred years ago. But the fact that we were not united and let the Turks destroy our home should not address to Arabs as the responsible party for it. And you ungratefuly forget the fact that Arabs were the ones who gave us homes and food during the Armenian Genocide. If there was not the support of the Arabic people it is hard to imagine what would be the result of the Armenian Genocide: perhaps 2 milion deaths a=instead of 1.5 million.

Originally I am from Urfa, Edessia, Armenian Mesopotamia, which is now in Turkey. My grand-grandparent was one of the organizers of the great self-defence of the Armenian population of Urfa. I have done a lot of research on this and guess what. Armenians were buying their weapons from Arabic people. Sometimes, Arabs were donating free weapons to Armenian fighters. Arabs were sometimes murdered for selling weapons to Armenians by the Turks.

If Arabic countries would not support the Armenian refugees during the genocide, we would have had more than 2 million people dead.

5. I do not understand the last sentence.

P.S. I feel you are admired with the "Iraqi freedom", if so I will have to assume that you are a big nationalist, but American nationalist, not Armenian.

Sincerely,

Nemesis

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1. I think it is quite clear that I have meant Diaspora Armenians from Middle East in my previous post, not Diasporans from other places.

In that case you have problems expressing your thougths in words. I don't have the time to decode your text.

2. The information you mentioned in your previous posting relating to Diaspora Armenians living in Middle East does not include source(s), and is more your personal point rather than information. Thus, your point cannot be true or untrue, but it can be argued with. Therefore, "Show me one sentence from the above post that is incorrect." claims to be rhetorical. I do not agree with your statements, because

Sources? It is quite clear that what we are discussing here doesn't require any academic sources, it's common knowledge. We're not scrutinizing the diffusion of Indo-European languages or the Big Bang theory. Are you kidding me? What a joke. Empirical facts cannot be argued with and that is the reason why you didn't bother. You disagree because you are afraid and ashamed of the truth.

a. My Grandparents were born and raised in Syria, they spoke excellent Armenian

Possible, but unlikely.

b. I have more than 10 families in Middle Eastern Arabic countries, all of them speak and write Armenian excellent. Moreover, some of them do not know Arabic very well.

That explains a lot.

Somehow I think that what you consider Armenian is far from what I believe Armenian to be.

c. I do not prefer an Armenian to be "corrupted" by English rather than by Arabic.

The above line is fallacious along with half of your post. What's the significance of English in this context?

I don't like any foreign influence; however, if there is any, it's fine if it is from a pure IE tongue in which case it's simply an evolution of the language.

When it comes from the doggish guttural Arabic that's only good for cleaning your throat, it's a degradation of an already semi-functioning language that has very little in common with Armenian spoken in Armenian Kingdoms.

d. Armenian and Arabic food are similiar. If you prefer McDonalds and not Dorma or Tabule, you have the right to do so, go for it.

That is a lie. Armenian and Arabic cuisine have absolutely nothing in common.

I pity you if you think that lahmadjoun, humus, taboule and other Middle Eastern dishes are Armenian.

I think you meant Dolma, Dolma is fine as it is an ancient Mediterranean dish, popular with our Greek brethren also.

Btw i'd rather eat McDonalds than anything made by some carpet making towelhead.

e. More than 90% of Middle Eastern Armenian Diasporans (mostly born Not in Armenia) speak Armenian.

They speak what you think is Armenian. I'd prefer if they don't speak anything at all than the filth they think is Armenian.

f. I was in Washington D.C. in April, 2004 participating in the "National Conference and Banquet" by Armenian Assembly of America, and most of the participants whom I met of the event, born in America, did not speak Armenian at all.

Just a wild guess but perhaps because they were Americans?

Don't 90% of Armenian-Americans have Middle-Eastern roots? :D

3. Dear Sir, could you please make it clear what do you mean by "Who cares were ASALA was formed....?" Is your irony toward ASALA or Lebanon in that sentence?

It's of little importance where that marxist organization was formed. It just happened so that Bourdjhamoudcis were large in numbers those days. Today it would have been somewhere else.

You should have looked for a better word instead of irony because it made little sense.

4. If our nation is in trouble, it does not mean we have to blame somebody for it.

You're not a member of TARC by any chance are you?

If we are destroying our home, nobody is going to build it for us.

True. First and foremost I blame Armenians and those that call themselves Armenian. I thought I made that pretty clear.

Yes, hitorically, we had problems with Arabs several hundred years ago.

Problems? Is that how little you value your nations history?

Are your grandchildren going to say historically we had problems with Turks several hundred years ago?

But the fact that we were not united and let the Turks destroy our home should not address to Arabs as the responsible party for it.

Well it would take several pages to get this through your head, unfortunately I have little time to school you. Just read a history book and read carefully about the period between the 7th and 10th centuries.

And you ungratefuly forget the fact that Arabs were the ones who gave us homes and food during the Armenian Genocide.

They were aiding the enemy of their enemy. They knew the significance of our presence in the lands they occupied(temporary). That occured under British and French allied supervision.

If there was not the support of the Arabic people it is hard to imagine what would be the result of the Armenian Genocide: perhaps 2 milion deaths a=instead of 1.5 million.

Cultural and racial Genocide is worse than actual Genocide.

Originally I am from Urfa, Edessia, Armenian Mesopotamia, which is now in Turkey. My grand-grandparent was one of the organizers of the great self-defence of the Armenian population of Urfa. I have done a lot of research on this and guess what. Armenians were buying their weapons from Arabic people. Sometimes, Arabs were donating free weapons to Armenian fighters. Arabs were sometimes murdered for selling weapons to Armenians by the Turks.

If Arabic countries would not support the Armenian refugees during the genocide, we would have had more than 2 million people dead.

I'm not refuting that.

5. I do not understand the last sentence.

You don't understand Diasporan Armenian? :brows:

P.S. I feel you are admired with the "Iraqi freedom", if so I will have to assume that you are a big nationalist, but American nationalist, not Armenian.

Sounds awfully like an ad hominem but i'll disregard it.

I couldn't care less if every single so called "iraqi" dropped dead tonight. They mean nothing to me. They are worthless.

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“In that case you have problems expressing your thougths in words. I don't have the time to decode your text.”

If you have problem decoding, it does not necessarily mean that I have problem with encoding.

“You disagree because you are afraid and ashamed of the truth.”

Could you, please, bring one reasonable example why should I be ashamed for the “truth”?

“That explains a lot.

Somehow I think that what you consider Armenian is far from what I believe Armenian to be.”

If you doubt my understanding of true Armenian I can send you some of my articles published in Armenian to your personal mail. On the other hand, I do not think you have moral right to judge my understanding of Armenian. You are not my Armenian Language teacher, are you? :p

“When it comes from the doggish guttural Arabic that's only good for cleaning your throat, it's a degradation of an already semi-functioning language that has very little in common with Armenian spoken in Armenian Kingdoms.”

Here you are being a fascist by calling Arabic “doggish guttural”.

“That is a lie. Armenian and Arabic cuisine have absolutely nothing in common.

I pity you if you think that lahmadjoun, humus, taboule and other Middle Eastern dishes are Armenian.”

Could you please you, please, send me a copy of your Doctorate degree :brows: in studies of Middle Eastern dishes. Armenians and Arabs have been neighbors for more than one thousand years. Theoretically, it is surreal to state that “Armenian and Arabic cuisine have absolutely nothing in common.” If two nations are living in the same area they always have a lot of things in common.

“I think you meant Dolma, Dolma is fine as it is an ancient Mediterranean dish, popular with our Greek brethren also.”

Dorma and Dolma are the same names. Some sources spell it “dorma”, some “dolma”, so do not make a traumatic scene from spelling it “dolma”.

“They speak what you think is Armenian. I'd prefer if they don't speak anything at all than the filth they think is Armenian.”

What I think? So what I think is incorrect and what you think is correct? Based on what you make judgments of my understanding of Armenian? Have you ever read my Armenian writing or have you ever seen me giving a speech in Armenian?

“Just a wild guess but perhaps because they were Americans?

Don't 90% of Armenian-Americans have Middle-Eastern roots?”

What right do you have to discriminate Armenians from Middle-Eastern countries? Middle-Eastern roots? Aren’t we all from Hayk’s family?

“It's of little importance where that marxist organization was formed. It just happened so that Bourdjhamoudcis were large in numbers those days. Today it would have been somewhere else.

You should have looked for a better word instead of irony because it made little sense.”

Now I see where your information and “nationalism” comes from. Asala (Armenian Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia) is described as “Marxist” by Turks and their Western Aliens only. Sir, you have read the wrong books, if only you have read any books on Asala. Did you search “Asala” in Google.com and get the “Marxist” name? What else do you know about Asala? Was it formed by Lenin or by Fidel Castro? Oh, you even know about “Bourdjhamudians”, good!

“You're not a member of TARC by any chance are you?”

No I am not, J, do you feel better now?

“Well it would take several pages to get this through your head, unfortunately I have little time to school you. Just read a history book and read carefully about the period between the 7th and 10th centuries.”

“Problems? Is that how little you value your nations history?

Are your grandchildren going to say historically we had problems with Turks several hundred years ago?”

Dear, Arabs have never attempted to annihilate the entire Armenian race and the Armenian Culture. Turks were the first group who wanted to exterminate name “Armenian” from the world. What about Turks, we will have problems with them during all our life, unless Armenian Genocide gets recognized and Western Armenia is returned to its legal and historical owners. After that we could think of having an embassy in Istanbul.

Firs of all, I do not need to be “schooled” by you and if you do not know anything about the person you are talking to, it is better to be polite and do not make false statements.

By the way, in order to know about 7th-10th centuries to “Just read a history book” is not enough. If you have read only one book on Armenian history, perhaps it was not the perfect one.

“How can one not be anti-Arabic when they are responsible for the mess we are in equally if not more than Turks. If it wasn't for their centuries of occupation and rape of our lands and nation we would have easily stopped the Seljuk advances.”

You were going to “school” me, but now I have to tell you a little bit of history and show that, in your logic, Greeks “are responsible for the mess we are in equally if not more than Turks” for Genocide and losing Western Armenia.

In 855 A.D. Ashot the first was the head of Armenia, but not the king. The Armenian ministers and catholicos decided to ask the Arabic caliph to recognize Armenia as an Independent Kingdom. It only happened in 885, when Ashot Bagratuni founded the Bagratid Kingdom of Armenia, or the Kingdom of Ani, after its capital. So, since 9th century Arabs had nothing to do with Armenia. In 961 A.D. Ani was proclaimed as the capital of Armenia. During the Bagratid Kingdom about 1000 churches were built only in Ani, it means Armenia was very powerful for its times, otherwise it would not build 1000 churches only in one city if its economy and army was weak. After Bagratid Armenia’s foundation Byzantine Empire was planning to conquest Armenia, but had only success in Vaspurakan where Armenian named traitors gave up Vana region. In 1045, Constantinople did everything to conquer Ani- the capital of Armenia. Armenians were struggling for several months, but it was very difficult to defend the army of Constantinople. Ani was destroyed in 1045. Last Armenian kingdom in the Armenian Highland was already a history. So, Greeks had their fault in destroying Armenia, too. Didn’t they?

Arabs had fault too, because Arabic caliph of Baghdad welcomed the Seljuk tribes and gave them sanctuary, but to tell that Arabs “are responsible for the mess we are in equally if not more than Turks” is far from the truth and is illogical.

I want to remind again: During Armenia’s invasion by Arabs, Arabs never planned to exterminate the Armenian nation. Turks were the first and only entities who wanted “To leave only one Armenian in the world, and its for putting it on display in the museum.”

“Cultural and racial Genocide is worse than actual Genocide.”

Genocide, according to the UN resolution, is defined, also, as racial killing. What difference do you see between “racial Genocide” and “actual Genocide”?

Please give two examples of cultural genocide against Armenians by Arabs.

“You don't understand Diasporan Armenian?”

There is no “Diasporan Armenian”, there is Eastern Armenian and Western Armenia.

You have either used not-Armenian words in that sentence or your spelling is difficult to understand.

“I couldn't care less if every single so called "iraqi" dropped dead tonight. They mean nothing to me. They are worthless.”

Did you quote it from Hitler by exchanging word “Jews” with “Iraqi”? :hm:

Best,

Nemesis

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Я иракских армян видел. Их сравнение с ливанскими некорректно. Те, кто хочет может приехать на Родину. Захотело несколько десятков. Честь им и хвала и дай Бог успешной адаптации. А растворятся ли остальные среди америкосов или курдов мне все равно.

Церковь была разрушена до ввода туду наших военослужащих :) .

Выгоды какие не скажу, написал же :)

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Here you are being a fascist by calling Arabic “doggish guttural.

Fine, i'm a fascist.

Could you please you, please, send me a copy of your Doctorate degree in studies of Middle Eastern dishes. Armenians and Arabs have been neighbors for more than one thousand years. Theoretically, it is surreal to state that “Armenian and Arabic cuisine have absolutely nothing in common.” If two nations are living in the same area they always have a lot of things in common.

I wasn't aware there is a doctorate program available such as Middle Eastern Cuisine Studies. Let me know which University provides such a course, I think I know some people who might be interested.

We have also been "neighbours" for over 1000 years with other invaders such as nomadic savages from Altai. I'm not surprised that some folks like you have so much in common with Arabs and Turks.Not everyone is expected to be vigilant, if everyone was there would have never been a Genocide.

If anything "Armenian" has something in common with filthy Semitic and Altaic crap than it's not Armenian.

Dorma and Dolma are the same names. Some sources spell it “dorma”, some “dolma”, so do not make a traumatic scene from spelling it “dolma”.

No there isn't :D

No such thing as "Dorma".

You're not thinking of Sarma by any chance are you :lol:

What I think? So what I think is incorrect and what you think is correct? Based on what you make judgments of my understanding of Armenian? Have you ever read my Armenian writing or have you ever seen me giving a speech in Armenian?

Who cares about your Armenian writing or your speeches? We are talking about your understanding, or lack thereof to be precise of semitic and turkic garbage in the so called "Armenian" spoken in Middle Eastern shitholes.

What right do you have to discriminate Armenians from Middle-Eastern countries?

It's my God given right.

Middle-Eastern roots?

There is no such thing as an Armenian with Middle Eastern roots. If you have Middle Eastern roots, be they genetic or cultural than you are not Armenian and never will be Armenian. There are however some pure Armenians who were born in the Middle East unfortunately because of tragic circumstances

Aren’t we all from Hayk’s family?

Elaborate. Hayk according to Khorenatsi? I prefer science, not mythology.

If there was ever such a figure as Hayk, his tribe presumably as the one of Hayassa-Azzi in which case that is only one part of the many others within the Armenian ethnogenesis, so no.

Now I see where your information and “nationalism” comes from. Asala (Armenian Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia) is described as “Marxist” by Turks and their Western Aliens only. Sir, you have read the wrong books, if only you have read any books on Asala. Did you search “Asala” in Google.com and get the “Marxist” name? What else do you know about Asala? Was it formed by Lenin or by Fidel Castro? Oh, you even know about “Bourdjhamudians”, good!

Apparently I know a lot more than you do. I was acquainted with several past members of ASALA before their assasinations in mid 90's within Armenia. I have no problems with their actions nor do I have anything against their agenda, besides the commie pinko stuff.

An organization with a marxist or a socialist ideology doesn't have to be formed by Castro or Lenin, stop making a complete fool out of yourself before it's too late.

Dear, Arabs have never attempted to annihilate the entire Armenian race and the Armenian Culture. Turks were the first group who wanted to exterminate name “Armenian” from the world. What about Turks, we will have problems with them during all our life, unless Armenian Genocide gets recognized and Western Armenia is returned to its legal and historical owners. After that we could think of having an embassy in Istanbul.

So let me get this straight. If the Donmeh Jews within the Ottoman Empire and its offshoot the Young Turk party didn't orchestrate the Armenian Holocaust (the word Holocaust was created to describe what occured to the Armenians since people were massed and burned alive in Churches, barnes and their houses) between the late 19th and early 20th centuries while the Turks and Kurds carried it out you would be the Loyal Millet today?

There is no such city as "istanbul", refer to it with its proper name.

You were going to “school” me, but now I have to tell you a little bit of history and show that, in your logic, Greeks “are responsible for the mess we are in equally if not more than Turks” for Genocide and losing Western Armenia.

It appears that you require a lot more than schooling.

usually juden and trukic sobs spout such utter bs about our brothers, trying to divide and conquer. Lies and slander from a sandnigger lover.

In 855 A.D. Ashot the first was the head of Armenia, but not the king.

Yes? You were saying?

The Armenian ministers and catholicos decided to ask the Arabic caliph to recognize Armenia as an Independent Kingdom. It only happened in 885, when Ashot Bagratuni founded the Bagratid Kingdom of Armenia, or the Kingdom of Ani, after its capital.

No doubt while wearing their turbans :lol:

Every single major power in those days from Western Europe to the caliphate recognized the Kingdom. What's your point?

So, since 9th century Arabs had nothing to do with Armenia.

For over three centuries those scum occupied Armenia, Armenians were weakened extremely and forced to pay heavy taxes not to mention the thousands of martyrs. The epic of David of Sassoun depicts the brutality of these primitive brown subhumans. My ancestors from my mothers side are Rshtounis, I'm not going to ignore the havoc they caused.

During the Bagratid Kingdom about 1000 churches were built only in Ani, it means Armenia was very powerful for its times, otherwise it would not build 1000 churches only in one city if its economy and army was weak.

Building many Churches makes one a power? I guess ROA is a superpower today :lol: There were NO 1000 Churches, they called it so because there were many Churches, more than in any other city. It's a symbolic name.

After Bagratid Armenia’s foundation Byzantine Empire was planning to conquest Armenia, but had only success in Vaspurakan where Armenian named traitors gave up Vana region.

Which Armenia? Bagratid Armenia? There were several Armenian Kingdoms, all fighting for power each trying to conquer the other.

At that time Byzantium was an Armenian Empire controlled by an Armenian Dynasty, Armenian Nobility and an Armenian Army. Civil war comes to mind.

In 1045, Constantinople did everything to conquer Ani- the capital of Armenia.

Capital of Bagratid Armenia. So what? One Armenian Empire trying to conquer another Armenian's Kingdom. No surprise.

Armenians were struggling for several months, but it was very difficult to defend the army of Constantinople. Ani was destroyed in 1045.

Thousands of Armenians died on both sides. Ani was not destroyed.

. Last Armenian kingdom in the Armenian Highland was already a history. So, Greeks had their fault in destroying Armenia, too. Didn’t they?

Greeks? What Greeks?

Arabs had fault too, because Arabic caliph of Baghdad welcomed the Seljuk tribes and gave them sanctuary, but to tell that Arabs “are responsible for the mess we are in equally if not more than Turks” is far from the truth and is illogical.

They were the only oines at fault after ourselves.

They were the ones who weakened Persia and let the slanty eyed gooks easily pass through.

I want to remind again: During Armenia’s invasion by Arabs, Arabs never planned to exterminate the Armenian nation. Turks were the first and only entities who wanted “To leave only one Armenian in the world, and its for putting it on display in the museum.”

After 500 years. If the Arab occupation lasted that long who knows if there would have been any Armenians left to exterminate in the first place? Most likely not. We'd be just like the Assyrians or other natives peoples in Arab occupied lands. ARABS

Genocide, according to the UN resolution, is defined, also, as racial killing. What difference do you see between “racial Genocide” and “actual Genocide”?

Are you on crack?

Racial genocide as in the destruction of the Armenian racial makeup and genes.

Please give two examples of cultural genocide against Armenians by Arabs.

Look in the mirror. Try again.

There is no “Diasporan Armenian”, there is Eastern Armenian and Western Armenia.

You have either used not-Armenian words in that sentence or your spelling is difficult to understand.

My whole freaking point is that it's not Armenian, you're saying it is yet you can't undertsand it.

I wrote a sentence in the "Armenian" used daily by Diasporans with Middle Eastern origin. You didn't understand it!

So according to your own logic you don't speak Armenian?

Did you quote it from Hitler by exchanging word “Jews” with “Iraqi”?

Nope.

Btw God bless Hitler. The most pro-Armenian leader in the world of the past century.

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