Архитектура Армений и Грузий

[Armenian Genocide]

Drugoy primer kak Gruzini ponimayut "kak sozdat" civilizaciyu.

[Phrygian]

Hey bro not everything should be said in loud. Take it easy. We both know you are right in this case, but dont let them know about that. It is too much information for them to accept. :lol:

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Edited October 3, 2004 by Mamikon

[Phrygian]

Can you name a famous georgian besides Stalin the murdered of tens of millions of inncoent people?

In 1000 years of their history since unified Georgia they haven't contributed anything to society.

A small country like Serbia gave us Tesla. What have these animals done?

I forgot Georgia also gave the world Ariel Sharon

Yes Arik Sharon and Stalin, what a genious people.

Let's look at the brilliant Armenians:

What are they doing today? I'll start with the latest of the greatest.

Mark Geragos - Attorney. Ranked as a Super lawyer, is at this moment representing Michael Jackson and the other high profile case of Scott Peterson. Mark Geragos has appeared as both guest and legal commentator on the Today Show, Good Morning America, Dateline NBC, Larry King Live and MSNBC’s Hardball. Mark is a regular fixture on CNBC’s Rivera Live and CNN’s Burden of Proof. The legal newspaper, the Los Angeles Daily Journal, describes Mark Geragos as “arguably the hottest defense lawyer of the moment” while Investor’s Business Daily tabbed him one of the best white collar criminal defense lawyers in California. The Los Angeles Criminal Courts Bar Association has named him “Trial Lawyer of the Year.” The Los Angeles Times described Mark Geragos as “seemingly unbeatable” and the California Law Business Magazine named Geragos as one of 100 Most Influential Attorneys in California.

Andre Agassi - Tennis. Ranked #1 in the world in 1995. Has won the Wimbledon, the US Open, the French Open, and an Olympic Gold Medal.

David Nalbandian - Tennis Champion

Charles Aznavour - Singer and Actor with worldwide popularity.

Dr. Raymond Damadian - Inventor. MRI diagnosis machine. Magnetic Resonance Imaging allows the insides of the body to be viewed without actually using surgery.

Viktor Hambartsumian - Astrophysicist. Developed theories of young star clusters, and computing the mass ejected from nova stars. Headed Byurakan Observatory in Armenia, & International Astrophysicist Organization.

Kevork Hovnanian - Homebuilder. One of top 10 US homebuilders of the 20th century.

Gary Kasparov - Chess. Ranked #1 in world. Serving in Russian Parliament. Was defeated for the first time by a chess computer built by IBM. (I wasn't going to include Kasparov as he is part jew, but I decided to because the jews usually try to take all the credit).

Dr. Varaztad Kazanjian - Doctor. "Father of Plastic Surgery", Harvard Professor.

Kirk Kerkorian - KING OF LAS VEGAS

Investor. Owner of MGM/MGM Grand and billions worth of Diamler-Chrysler stock. Soon be major controller of Time-Warner shares.

Aram Khachaturian - Composer. World famous composer. "Gayane", "Spartacus", "The Battle of Stalingrad / Othello", "The Sabre Dance".

Alex Manoogian - Inventor. Invented single handle faucet, founded Masco.

Artem Mikoyan - Aircraft Designer. Creator and namesake of "MiG" Fighters of the Soviet Union and Russia.

William Saroyan - Novelist, Playwright. Won a Pulitzer Prize for the play "The Time of Your Life" which he turned down. Wrote "The Human Comedy", "My Name is Aram", and directed a prize winning movie. I believe the first ever, USA/USSR joint commemorative stamp was of William Saroyan.

Spandjian - Inventor. Invented the Spandex fabric, which is named after the inventor, Spandjian.

Zildjian Family - Manufacturers. Worlds Biggest Cymbal Manufacturers, by using secret family production technique that produces excellent sound and very strong metal.

James Bagian, M.D. - Astronaut. American Astronaut.

Oscar Banker (Asatour Sarafian) - Inventor. Auto transmission, many other ind./railroad tools, the gun that shoots tetanus shots.

Youssouf Karsh - Photographer. Most famous phtographer in the world. Portrait photographer for many world leaders/celebrities.

Bob Manoukian - Property and trading. 128th richest person in UK.

Vartan Gregorian - former President of the New York Public Library, former President of Brown University, and current President of the Carnegie Corporation.

Tigran Petrossian - Chess. Ex-World Chess Champion.

Agop Terzan - Astronomer. Discovered star clusters Terzan 1, Terzan 2 etc.

Hovhaness Aivazovski - Painter. Famous for his seascapes. Paintings are featured on numerous postage stamps around the world.

Calouste Gulbenkian - Oil Baron. "Mr. 5%" Made his fortune in Iraqi oil earlier this century after gaining 5% ownership of BP, and 3 other major companies. Set up a large enduring foundation.

Rouben Mamoulian - Director. First to use a mobile camera, Technicolor and a multiple channel sound track. Directed Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, The Mark of Zorro, and Silk Stalkings.

K. Serobian - Inventor. Green Ink ( U.S. paper currency-1860)

Dr. Kevorkian (aka "Dr.Death" and my all time favorite) - Physician. Proponent of assisted suicide. Helped dozens of terminally ill patients end their lives with his suicide machine.

Excerpts from "The Contribution of Armenians to the 20th Century Culture"

Natural Sciences and Technology

Since early history Armenians were known as skilled merchants that travelled far and wide which made them conversant in astronomy, geography, and mathematics. Thousands of years ago Armenians domesticated wild wheat and apricots. As early as the 9th century BC they cultivated grapes and made wine. Armenians processed metal already in the 6th millennia BC. One of the oldest Armenian states, The Nairi Araratian Kingdom (Urartu called by Assyrians & Armina by Greeks and Persians) came into being in the 9th century BC. Armenian culture flourished anew in the 20th century. Physiologist Levon Orbeli was Ivan Pavlov's closest associate and one of the founders of evolutionary physiology. With the advent of the Space Age Norayr Sissakian advanced the Soviet program of cosmic biology and medicine. Luigi Camician developed photochemistry. Chemist Ivan Knunyants made discoveries in photo-organic chemistry and synthesized capron, which was widely used in the industry. Nikoghayos Yenikopelian, a renowned physical chemist, made important discoveries of synthetic polymers. Vassil Tahirov upgraded viticulture in Armenia to a science and blended the first brandies that earned world-wide recognition. Astrophysicist Viktor Hambartsoumian succeeded Orbeli as the president of the Armenian Academy of Sciences and made substantial breakthroughs in the modern understanding of the evolution of the universe. Abraham Alikhanov was among the pillars of Soviet school of nuclear physics. He was one of the creators of the first heavy water nuclear reactor in the USSR. Samvel Kochariants was for many the mastermind behind three generations of Soviet nuclear weaponry. Sargis Saltikov developed new alloys and the discipline of stereometric metallurgy. Andranik Hovsepian was the pioneer of Soviet electrotechnical engineering, he was responsible for electrical guts of most rockets and designed Soviet Meteor meteorological satellites. Artem Mikoyan was the chief designer and founder of several generations of MIG jet fighters that ensured Soviet air domination in the 50's and continued to protect the borders several decades thereafter.

And these are just the ones from Caucasian Armenia (10% of Armenia proper)...

I only gave you a sampling of famous Armenians and their achievements. Want more? Let's go back in time a little and see what the Armenians have contributed.

Yerevan is one of the oldest continuously inhabited settlements in the world. Older than Rome!

9,000 B.C., the world’s first fortified cities, ramparts and round-shaped military towers are erected in Metsamor in ancient Armenia.

Early 5,000 B.C., the first technologically urbanized Armenian city is born, thanks to the advanced knowledge and mastery of metallurgy, mining of precious stones, gems, gold, silver and magnesium, and metal work (bronze and copper).

Beginning of 5,000 B.C., ancient Armenian cities are equipped with advanced irrigation systems and houses are supplied with running water through stone pipes in Dari Blur, Aratashen Blur, Ada Blur and Teghut.

5,000 B.C., Armenians in the city of Shengavit create the world’s first round shaped dwellings made out of mud brick, river stones and pottery. Many centuries later, the Armenians will teach the Minoans (mistakenly considered as to be the world’s first and best pottery makers and designers!) the secret of their craft. In fact, the Armenians were the ancient world’s first and best pottery makers and designers

In 4,200 B.C., in Metsamor, Armenians create the world’s first navigation system with accurate distances, latitude and longitude measurements, graphs and symbols, as well as topography and mapping systems and tools to map the sky and the stars. In Sissian, the world’s first astrological observatory is built from carved stones, thousands of years ahead of the Babylonians, Egyptians and other great ancient civilizations.

Armenia is the birthplace of the zodiac, astronomy, the calandar. At Metsamor (ca 5000 BC), one of the oldest observatories in the world can be found. The Metsamor observatory is an open book of ancient astronomy and sacred geometry. For the average visitor the carvings are indecipherable messages. With Elma Parsamian, the first to unlock the secrets of the Metsamor observatory as a guide, the world of the first astronomers comes alive. The Metsamorians also left behind a calendar divided into twelve months, and made allowances for the leap year. Sketch the locations of the Jupiter moons over several nights and you're repeating an experiment Galileo did in 1610. Chart a star over several years and you repeat an experiment the Metsamorians did almost 5000 years ago. By using the trapezium carving and a 5000 year stellar calendar, Parsamian discovered that the primary star which matched the coordinates of its end point was the star Sirius, the brightest star in our galaxy.

3,000 B.C., in the Armenian cities of Voski Blur, MokhraBlur, Kosh, Lejapi Blur and Jerahovit, Armenians become the world’s first astronomers to find that the earth was round, to build n observatory, to create an astrological calendar dividing the year into 12 partitions of time and to devise the compass.

In 4,000 B.C., Armenia began mining metals. The ancient Greeks regarded Armenia as the land were iron was first smelted. Armenia was also the first producer of bronze (Armenian highlands are dotted with hundreds, if not thousands of, bronze-smelting foundries). The two metals, the alloy of which produces bronze (92 per cent copper: 8 per cent tin), were found together in Armenia and Northern Syria (historically part of the Armenian kingdom of Mitanni) and not in Mesopotamia. The Armenians made all the bronze things such as highly decorative couldrons etc for the Romans. The Araratian bronzes (statuettes, pottery, cauldrons, weaponry etc.) that were shipped abroad were copied extensively by the smiths of the importing countries. Those commercial relationships even helped to mould the art of Classical Greece. It is only in recent years that archaeologist have been able to study and assess the significance of Ararat finds, of which many pieces are of great artistic and historical merit in respect to their significant world contribution. An eminent British scholar, Leonard Woolley wrote, "the most original and the most fruitful contribution to art was made by the metal-workers of Ararat (Urartu)" (Mesopotamia and the Middle East, London 1961).

The principle of the church dome came from prehistoric times and from centuries of architectural tradition in Armenia. The bassillica is also an Armenian invention.

The Crusaders learned to build round-shaped castles from the Armenians(previously to Crusade epoch most of the castles in Europe were square-shaped).

The postulated homeland of the Indo-Europeans is, if not the only region, certainly one of the regions in which the horse completed its domestication and was harnessed as a draft animal in the fourth millennium B.C. From here wheeled vehicles spread with the migration of the Indo-Europeans in the third and second millennia B.C. eastward to central Asia, westward to the Balkans, and in a circular motion around the Black Sea and thence to central Europe.

The horse drawn chariot/war chariot is an Armenian invention.

The Armenians were the jewelers of the Pharaos. Today in Yellowknife Canada, there's a diamond mine which employs approximately 40 diamond cutters/polishers and they are ALL Armenians. In a recent documentary, a spokeswoman for the company said that the reason for this is because the Armenians have a long history of jewlery making and they are the best cutters/polishers in the world.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

If it intrests you, here are a few sites you can visit and make of them what you will, but the worst that can happen is you might learn something you didn't know just as I did. I found the first two exellent.

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone1.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/geometry.html

http://www.arminco-usa.com/tourarme...mo/geometry.htm

http://www.tacentral.com/astronomy.asp

http://www.iatp.am/resource/science/parsam...ew/pars-eng.htm

http://www.iatp.am/ara/sites/naskal/tracce12/article2.html

http://www.usanogh.com/articles/article.php?story_id=212

http://www.tacentral.com/erebuni/cradle.asp

Main Entry: ba·sil·i·ca

Pronunciation: b&-'si-li-k& also -'zi-

Function: noun

Etymology: Latin, from Greek basilikE, from feminine of basilikos royal, from basileus king

Date: 1541

1 : an oblong building ending in a semicircular apse used in ancient Rome especially for a court of justice and place of public assembly

2 : an early Christian church building consisting of nave and aisles with clerestory and a large high transept from which an apse projects

3 : a Roman Catholic church given ceremonial privileges

- ba·sil·i·can /-k&n/ adjective

It's an architectural term for the shape of the building, regardless of what it's used for and not the other way around as you think.

The conditions for the development of architecture were quite favorable during the Arshakouni Kingdom, which came after the fall of Artashesian Dynasty. King Khosrov Kotak (322-338 A.D.) founded the capital city of Dvin. The construction of churches gained tremendous impetus when in 301 A.D. St. Gregory the Illuminator and the Armenian King Trdat (Tiridates) proclaimed Christianity as the official religion of Armenia, thus making Armenia the first Christian nation in the world. At the very outset of the formal adoption of Christianity as the official religion, St. Gregory the Illuminator founded the first churches and houses of prayer at Ashtishat, Vagharshapat, Sevan and other parts of Armenia. These buildings were single-nave and try- nave basilicas, often built upon the foundations of former pagan temples. In some instances, pagan temples were converted to churches, relocating the apse from the west to the east side of the building. V th century architectural developments resulted in the creation of the traditional Armenian central-domed cathedrals and domed basilicas. These were basic innovations in Armenian Church architecture. The principle of the dome came from prehistoric times and from centuries of architectural tradition in Armenia. «Corbelling» or erecting a wooden domed roof over a square building was widely practiced in Armenia in the construction of public and domestic buildings. This technique consists of laying short wooden beams across the angles of the square formed by four columns or four walls. The Armenian master builders translated this technique into stone and succeeded in building monumental domed structures in masonry. One of the earliest examples of the domed cathedral is the Mother Cathedral of St. Echmiatsin. About the year 480 A.D., prince Vahan Mamikonian rebuilt the basilica church formerly build by St. Gregory the Illuminator in 303 A.D. and incorporated the cruciform plat with a separate, quatrefoil dome-on-pendentive design. The cruciform plan is evident trough the four apses protruding from the walls of the basic quadrilateral plan. As to the dome, it is the central and unifying motif of the overall cruciform design in both plan and elevation. The Cathedral of St. Echmiatsin is one of the earliest examples of Armenian (as well as non-Armenian) architecture incorporating the central-dome construction. It became the prototype of Bagaran (624 631), Mastara (VI th century) and other similar constructions and their variants. The isolated columns of St. John Cathedral of Mastara and of similar designs (e.g. Harij, Ardek, and Voskebar) are eliminated and the broad dome, with modifications of the drum, rests upon the corners of the apses, creating a feeling of space in the interior. The further development of the central dome theme of St. Echmiatsin and Mastara was realized, in the Cathedral of Avan, built in the last decades of the VI th century. In this design the cruciform is incorporated with a perfected square, whose open corners accommodate four round vestries with centralized open anterooms. The broad-set dome rests upon the eight columns bordering the anterooms and vestries. The structural design of the Cathedral of Avan reached a higher degree of perfection in the Cathedral of Virgin Martyr St. Hripsime (618) and in similar structures such as the Monastery of the Holy Translators, the churches of Garnhovit and Sisavan in the vast and powerful Armenian province of Siunik. In contrast to Avan, the Cathedral of St. Hripsime is square-corned and the exterior walls under the apse are indented with trapezoidal niches. This arrangement result in thinner exterior walls while at the same time enhances the structural integrity and aesthetic balance of the overall edifice. The broad, massive outline of St. Hripsime has an extraordinarily harmonious composition. Its lean, stable and yet soaring structure is a fitting match to Ararat and Aragats, which grace its background. The Church of Hripsime is rightly considered a gem of VII th Century classical Armenian Architecture. The dome on pendentives becomes the unifying architectural characteristic of VI th and VII th century Armenian Churches. Subsequently, Armenian architects sought and found various solutions to the problems of enclosing a larger space with now modes of constructing domes. The tri-nave domed basilical cathedral of Tekor (V th century), was the original model from which evolved the dome supported on four columns (e.g. Otsoun, Gayane, Mren, Bagavan). Basilican and cruciform central-domed layouts evolved into another tri-apse Basilican forms and reached, as in the case of the Mother Church of Dvin (607) and the basilica at Talin, monumental dimensions. The cruciform, central-domed church structure was in general use during the VI th to VII th centuries. The cruciform was expressed in the interior and exterior by different adaptations of the arms of the cross. Another interesting cruciform type is illustrated in the Church of Yeghvard and in the multi-apse temple of Irint to the late VII th century. In these structures, 8 radiated apses are inscribed in a polygon and the dome rests on the intersecting ribs of the apses.

http://www.armenianhighland.com/architectu...ronicle412.html

Lets look at Armenian under an occupation.

How many people would do so well under an occupation?

Ottoman Armenians became extremely wealthy bankers, merchants, and industrialists, while many at the same time rose to high positions in governmental service. In the 19th century, for example, twenty-nine Armenians achieved the highest governmental rank of Pasha. There were twenty-two Armenian ministers, including the Ministers of Foreign Affairs, Finance, Trade and Post, with other Armenians making major contributions to the departments concerned with agriculture, economic development, and the census. There also were thirty-three Armenian representatives appointed and elected to the Parliaments formed after 1826, seven ambassadors, eleven consul-generals and consuls, eleven university professors, and forty-one other officials of high rank.

FAMOUS ARMENIANS OF THE OTTOMAN GOVERNMENT

*Agop Gircikyan - Counsellor of the first Turkish Ambassador, Resid Pasha.

*Krikor Agaton- Chairman of the Ottoman Post and Telegram Office (1848-50).

*Sahak Abro- General secretary of the Ministry of International Affairs (1850-).

*Sebuh Laz- Secretary in the Turkish Embassy in Paris (1863).

*Krikor Odyan- Principle of the International courts.

*Serkis Effendi- First Secretary of Ministry of International Affairs (1870-1871)

*Ovakim K. Reisyan- Judge

*Artin Dadyan Paa- Counsellor in Ministry of foreign Affairs (1880)

*Diran Aleksan Bey- Ottoman Ambassador for Belgium (1862)

*Yetvart Zohrab Effendi- Ottoman Ambassador for London (1838-1839)

*Hirant Duz Bey- Ottoman Ambassador for Italy (1900-1907)

*Hovsep Misakyan Effendi- Ottoman Ambassador for La Haye (1900-1907)

*Sarkis Balyan- Turkish Consulate for Italy (1900)

*Azaryan Manuk-Counsellor of Ministry of Foreign Affairs

*Kapriyel Noradunkyan-Minister of Foreign Affairs (1912)

*Agop Kazazyan Pasha- Minister of Finance

*Mikael Portukal Pasha- Counsellor of the Ministry of Finance (1886)

*Sakiz Ohannes Pasha- General Secretary of Ministry of Foreign Affairs (1871), Minister of Finance (1897)

*Garabet Artin Davut Pasha- Ottoman Ambassador for Vienna (1856-1857), Governor of Lebanon (1861), Minister of Internal Affairs (1868)

*Krikor Sinopyan- Minister of Internal Affairs

*Krikor Agaton- Chairman of PTT (1864)

*Jorj Serpos Effendi- General Secretary of Turkish Communication (1868)

*Osgan Mardikyan-Minister of Communication (1913)

*Tomas Terziyan, Nisan Gugasyan, Tavit Circiyan- Professors of Political Science.

*Krikor Zohrab, Bedros Hallaciyan- Istanbul deputies

THE LIGHT THAT MAY GO OUT IN TURKEY

New York Times

OCTOBER 28, 1915

The whole population of the Turkish Empire is estimated at 32,000,000, of whom only 1,100,000 are Armenians. Yet the Armenians have 783 educational institutions, with more than 82,000 students, whereas the Turks can scarcely boast of 150 schools, with only 17,000 students.

To give an idea of the economic power of the Armenians in the Turkish Empire. Marcel Leart records the fact that of 166 importers in Ivas, which has the smallest Armenian population of the six Armenian Provinces, 141 are Armenians, 13 Turks and 12 Greeks.

Of 150 exporters, 127 are Armenians and 23 Turks.

Of 37 bankers and capitalists, 32 are Armenians and only 5 Turks.

Of 9,800 shopkeepers and artisans 6,800 are Armenians and only 2,550 Turks, the rest being divided among various other nationalities.

The same is true of native industry. Of 153 factories and flour mills, 130 belongs to Armenians, 20 to Turks, and 3, carpet concerns, to foreign or mixed companies. The personnel of all these establishment is Armenian exclusively. The number of employees is about 17,000 of whom 14,000 are Armenians , 3,500 Turks, and 200 Greeks and others.

http://www.cilicia.com/armo10c-nyt19151028.html

But here's something else I'll rub your nose in. We invented missions, sunday-schools and hospitals too. We couldn't wait 2,000 years for the Anglos to think of them.

"At a period when the sword was the usual weapon for conversion, and the doctrines of the church were thrust down the throats of the unconverted "will he, nill he," the Paulicians of Armenia were sending out their missionaries two and two, unarmed except with the word of God, among the savage and pagan Bulgarians, to lead them to Christ and to teach them the way of salvation; and they were wonderfully successful. Many centuries before either the Greek or the Roman Church had thought of the possibility of the devotion of holy women to the nursing of the sick, the care and instruction of the poor and ignorant and of little children, and all those works of mercy which have made the names of the "Sisters of Charity" and of "Mercy" so widely honored, devout women of the Paulician and Bogomil churches were giving themselves to these good works; and not only our modern missions, but our modern Sunday-schools and hospitals for the sick, find their models and origin among these humble people."

http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-bl/istorij...-bogomils3.html

"The postulated homeland of the Indo-Europeans is, if not the only region, certainly one of the regions in which the horse completed its domestication and was harnessed as a draft animal in the fourth millennium B.C. From here wheeled vehicles spread with the migration of the Indo-Europeans in the third and second millennia B.C. eastward to central Asia, westward to the Balkans, and in a circular motion around the Black Sea and thence to central Europe."

http://www.ezula.com/pops/Harmony_CP_Creative1.html

"This is easily connected with the idea of the chariot. For that reason it is likely that the pictures of the variously shaped carts met in the engravings of the Gueghamian mountains and elsewhere may be connected with the cult of the sun, since the bulls drawing them and the surrounding other animals are nothing else than celestial bodies. In the art of the 3-rd millennium B. C. we find a multitude of carts and chariots drawn by oxen or bulls having stellar symbols on their fronts; the pictures of anthropomorphic solar deities and of war -chariots or carts were also common among the late bronze age and Urartian objects of art and worship. On one of the Urartian imprints is figuring a wonderful cart, over which is shining the sun; it is followed by the priest with his arms extended (or by the solar deity itself) and also by the fantastic griffin-goat offered to the sun and bearing a solar mark on its chest."

http://www.iatp.am/ara/sites/hushardzanner...ut/index_6.html

"The Armenian History Museum - The museum possesses a unique collection of ancient vehicles-carts and chariots-some of which are more than 3500 years old. Many of them are richly decorated with fine carvings."

http://www.hyeetch.nareg.com.au/republic/tourism_p4.html

"The pulling wagons or carts from the Armenia's State History museum, dating back to second millenium B.C. from digsite at Lchashen, near lake Sevan, oldest in its kind and extremely rare because of its relatively good condition and preservation."

"The bronze parts of the chariot and the bronze tools, with which chariots were fashioned from mountain hardwoods, furnish words that embrace the smelting of metals. Petroglyphs, symbols marked on stone, found in the area from the Transcaucasus to upper Mesopotamia between the lakes Van and Urmia are the earliest pictures of horse-drawn chariots."

"PETROGLYPHS (dating from the second or third millennium B.C.) provide archaeological corroboration of linguistic evidence that the Indo-Europeans had chariots. Wheeled vehicles, such as those drawn here, facilitated agriculture and the migrations that resulted from a growing hunger for land."

http://www.armenianhighland.com/homeland/chronicle120.html

"In the past sixty years, some scholars have suggested that the horse-drawn war chariot was developed or perfected in eastern Asia Minor (9). Built from native hardwoods and strengthened with metal alloys, this invention gave the local populations such a military advantage that they were easily able to subdue or control their neighbors, who fought as horseless infantry. In the view of a recent study, sometime in the second millennium B.C., bands of armed warriors, riding in horse-drawn chariots left eastern Asia Minor, eventually reaching Greece, the Levant, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Iran, and India (10)."

http://rbedrosian.com/mythint.htm

[Phrygian]

Degenerat, skinxedi moji nogi chistyat durak. Oni vse na nas v AMERIKE rabotayut kavkazskoe ***.

David Duke on Armenians:

In the gulag I became close friends with an ardent and proud Armenian. He acquainted me with a detailed history of the Armenian people. The very name Armenian is derived from the word Aryan. They suffered a true holocaust at the hands of the Turks.

Interestingly I read a book by a prominent Jewish author in Israel about the Armenian genocide. In it the author casually reveals that powerful Jews in Turkey egged on the Armenian holocaust to get rid their competitors in business and finance in Constantinople and the Ottoman Empire.

The book also reveals how the Jewish power structure in Israel and in the world wide media purposefully downplays and minimizes the Armenian genocide! So here we have the example of the Jewish power structure creating a genocide that didn’t truly exist, (the Holocaust) and denying a Holocaust that did (the Armenian genocide).

Interesting. By the way, the ancient symbol of Armenia is akin to what people call the Iron Cross!

Edited October 3, 2004 by Mamikon

[Phrygian]

Smotri i plakaj histerik nenormalni.

[Phrygian]

georgians 101:

The primary problem with Georgia is that the nation is not homogeneous, they have dozens of distinct ethnicities living within the borders of Georgia, with Turkic/Osset/Abkhaz/ tribes being most prominent amongst them. The multi-ethnic, multi-lingual and multi-faith national reality has always been a problem for the Georgians because they have not been able to formulate a cohesive national character, one that is a representative of all peoples who live within Georgia.

Moreover, unlike Armenians, Georgians tend to dislike and/or distrust Russians for various historic and sociological reasons. Furthermore, Georgians have deep rooted historic animosities against Armenians.Despite the fact that Armenians have greatly contributed to Georgian culture.

For example:

The "Bagratuni" Georgian kingdom that rose to prominence within the thirteenth century A.D. by defeating numerous Turkic armies was of Armenian decent and at certain times its military leadership and troop was mainly comprised of Armenians.

Armenian Christian monks evangelized Georgian tribes and, thereafter, administered their church for several centuries.

Armenians founded or directly influenced the national script of Georgians and their ecclesiastic architecture.

The Armenian population of Tbilisi exceeded seventy percent during the nineteenth century and were part and parcel of the nation's flowering at the time.

Yet, despite all this, during the last hundred years or so, the Georgians have portrayed hostilities towards Armenians. Within the late ninetieth and early twentieth centuries, at a time when Armenians were desperately struggling against Turks for their survival, Georgians often allied themselves with Turks. Consequently, today, there is not much respect towards Georgian politics and culture on the behalf of most Armenian patriots.

What's more, with strong Turkic and Jewish influences within Georgia today, I do not see Georgians looking favorably toward Armenians and Russians in the foreseeable future. The Armenian nation has been and is the only natural ally the Russian Republic has within the southern Caucasus. Recent history can corroborate my statement.

[Arin-Berd]

Очередной грузинский истерик появился? И не таких лечили.

Тут бы Тифлизеци написал: «Ну зачем вы так, откройте любую европейскую энциклопедию и найдете, что мы, армяне (он очень сильно любит это подчеркивать), привираем. Ведь каждый знает, что все это грузинское. Зачем нам грузинская архитектура? Зачем нам конфликт с грузинами? Их надо поддерживать. Давайте лучше марионетку-Путина мочить. Он нас, армян, продаст. И вообще все манипулируются. Кроме меня конечно. Я сам себя не контролирую, куда уж там остальным?»

[Phrygian]

Очередной грузинский истерик появился? И не таких лечили.

Тут бы Тифлизеци написал: «Ну зачем вы так, откройте любую европейскую энциклопедию и найдете, что мы, армяне (он очень сильно любит это подчеркивать), привираем. Ведь каждый знает, что все это грузинское. Зачем нам грузинская архитектура? Зачем нам конфликт с грузинами? Их надо поддерживать. Давайте лучше марионетку-Путина мочить. Он нас, армян, продаст. И вообще все манипулируются. Кроме меня конечно. Я сам себя не контролирую, куда уж там остальным?»

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Թող մի հատ փորցվի

[Arin-Berd]

Թող մի հատ փորցվի

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Ո՞վ, Թինֆլիզեցի՞ն: :lol: Չի երևու՞մ, որ ամբողջ օր միայն դրանով է զբաղված: Միայն դա է լսվում իրենից: Չի զգացվու՞մ, որ վրացի է, իրեն շլանգի տեղ է դրել:

Թիֆլիզեցի, ու՞ր ես: Մի հատ արի մի 2 բան գրի հայերեն, մենք էլ հավատանք:

[Vaspur]

. а вот это высказывание грузинской аристосраки-бозишвили надо-бы сохранить.. в назидание всяким там тифлизетси

Edited October 5, 2004 by Vaspur

[Артём Карабекян]

georgiano-simon, sheni bozi dedas pirshi davandzri !!!

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Это не Симошка, IP этого уродца турецкий. Очередной азерок, выдававший себя за грузина.

[Kartvel]

Фригиан, ты необразованный ублюдок, какого хрена нам нужна была ваша вонючая черная туфная архитектура, КАКОГО ЧЕРТА МЫ (СТРАНА С ЧЕТВЕРОГОЛОСНОЙ ПОЛИФОНИЧЕСКОЙ МУЗЫКОЙ) ВЗЯЛМ ОТ ВАС ВАШУ ОДНОГОЛОСНУЮ АЗИАТСКУЮ МУЗЫКУ? Что касатся знати, у нас оно была, а у вас были одни купцы и вы завидуете – впрочем от вас это ожидамо – вы ведь самый большой народ-плагиат

[Kartvel]

Early 5,000 B.C., the first technologically urbanized Armenian city is born, thanks to the advanced knowledge and mastery of metallurgy, mining of precious stones, gems, gold, silver and magnesium, and metal work (bronze and copper).

Beginning of 5,000 B.C., ancient Armenian cities are equipped with advanced irrigation systems and houses are supplied with running water through stone pipes in Dari Blur, Aratashen Blur, Ada Blur and Teghut.

5,000 B.C., Armenians in the city of Shengavit create the world’s first round shaped dwellings made out of mud brick, river stones and pottery. Many centuries later, the Armenians will teach the Minoans (mistakenly considered as to be the world’s first and best pottery makers and designers!) the secret of their craft. In fact, the Armenians were the ancient world’s first and best pottery makers and designers

Eto u tebya nachilis marazmi, ili ti v kaife? Mne zhal tebya, ti uzhe neizlechim

[horangi]

Фригиан, ты необразованный ублюдок, какого хрена нам нужна была ваша вонючая черная туфная архитектура, КАКОГО ЧЕРТА МЫ (СТРАНА С ЧЕТВЕРОГОЛОСНОЙ ПОЛИФОНИЧЕСКОЙ МУЗЫКОЙ) ВЗЯЛМ ОТ ВАС ВАШУ ОДНОГОЛОСНУЮ АЗИАТСКУЮ МУЗЫКУ? Что касатся знати, у нас оно была, а у вас были одни купцы и вы завидуете – впрочем от вас это ожидамо – вы ведь самый большой народ-плагиат

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:lol: ну народ, я с вас худею, скромники-христиане, блин! гордыня на гордыне, што тот такой же, што этот...

[Gorn]

mamat kunem armjashki

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за такие слова у нас уши отрезают.............

Много ваших шур твац мам грузины ..........ли, что вы стали грузинами ? Ублюдок...

Ты наверно маму не знал в малолетстве, или тебе не грудь давали сосать, а там где чуть пониже, что между ног находится.................. иначе ты бы вырос мужиком, а не гордым грузином...............

[Karmir]

Es vratsiner@ achqis uzum en shut pokhen yekeghetsineri goghanalu teman u veratsen es teman ankap krtsmrtsotsi.

Aracharkum em modernerin viravoranqner@ u qfur-mfurner@ ghnghel u bazhanel teman 3 masi:

es yekeghetsi-mekeghetsineri planner@ 1 tema

haykakan yekeghetsineri yuratsum@ u averum@ vratsineri koghmits 2 tema

Argutyan-margutyanneri masin khosaqtsutyun@ 3 tema

Te che sagh kharnvum e u yekeghetsineri goghanalu teman es amen inchi megh korum e.

Edited October 3, 2004 by Karmir

[Артём Карабекян]

Фригиан, ты необразованный ублюдок, какого хрена нам нужна была ваша вонючая черная туфная архитектура, КАКОГО ЧЕРТА МЫ (СТРАНА С ЧЕТВЕРОГОЛОСНОЙ ПОЛИФОНИЧЕСКОЙ МУЗЫКОЙ) ВЗЯЛМ ОТ ВАС ВАШУ ОДНОГОЛОСНУЮ АЗИАТСКУЮ МУЗЫКУ? Что касатся знати, у нас оно была, а у вас были одни купцы и вы завидуете – впрочем от вас это ожидамо – вы ведь самый большой народ-плагиат

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А? Надо же, не ожидал... Уж от кого-кого, а от тебя точно не ждал подобного хамства. Наводит на размышления, народная пословица про раненного грузина верна как никогда. Самый большой народ-предатель. Христопродавцы.

Видать правильно тебя Viraboff почти год назад охарактеризовал - "грузинский педераст с иконостасом", а я было даже вступался за тебя... Вот так время показывает кто прав, кто виноват. Пошел вон!

[Артём Карабекян]

:lol: ну народ, я с вас худею, скромники-христиане, блин! гордыня на гордыне, што тот такой же, што этот...

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Ну так! У них ведь полифония? Кто ж окромя них предусмотрел такое качество современных сотовых телефонов? Опереточная гордость всегда была присуща этим людям, взять хотя бы этого певуна четырехголосого - Соську Павлиашвили, тот ещё выпендрёж.

[SAS]

Быть грузином это значит принадлежать этой земле плотью и кровью. То же самое и быть армянином.

Кстати, я горжусь и армянским происхождением своих предков, достаточно древним. По одному из источников предки мои из Тарона относились с Багратидам. Так что я вообще еврей 

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Нет, милейший, Вы грузино-еврейский князь из Телави... Впрочем, существует-ли грузин не князь? По свидетельству Дюма-отца, даже пастухи в горах Свнетии были княжеского происхождения.

Тбилисели-Тифлисецы,

Вы как-то советовали читать арабских и персидских авторов(каких- не указали), чтобы знать настоящую историю Армении. Теперь советуете спросить у европейцев, что значит слово "банак\ишхан" и заимствованное грузинами "бана\ишхани". Кстати, еврей-австриец Иозеф Стржиговский не западенец- европеец?

[Arin-Berd]

Нет, милейший, Вы грузино-еврейский князь из Телави... Впрочем, существует-ли  грузин не князь?    По свидетельству Дюма-отца, даже пастухи в горах Свнетии были княжеского происхождения.

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Каждый грузин -- это феодал. Так же как сейчас. А какой феодал не является князем? Интересно почему грузины думают, что армяне завидуют их дворянству, если из за феодального строя и мышления они до сих пор не едины?

[Gorn]

Интересно почему грузины думают, что армяне завидуют их дворянству?

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Если они узнают, что мы им не завидуем, будут очень-очень разочарованы

[Tiflisetsi]

. на.. и заткнись!

http://armenianstudies.csufresno.edu/iaa_a...ecture/bana.htm

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sam zatknis i dai nezavisimie evropeiskie istochniki

http://www.parliament.ge/CULTURE/ANCIENT/mon.html

[Tiflisetsi]

Нет, милейший, Вы грузино-еврейский князь из Телави... Впрочем, существует-ли грузин не князь? По свидетельству Дюма-отца, даже пастухи в горах Свнетии были княжеского происхождения.

Тбилисели-Тифлисецы,

Вы как-то советовали читать арабских и персидских авторов(каких- не указали), чтобы знать настоящую историю Армении. Теперь советуете спросить у европейцев, что значит слово "банак\ишхан" и заимствованное грузинами "бана\ишхани". Кстати, еврей-австриец Иозеф Стржиговский не западенец- европеец?

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ya NIKOGDA ne prizival shitat persidskix i arabskix avtorov - ti chto pod durachka zdes rabotaesh?

[lamps]

Народ че портите тему? Говорите об архитектуре!

[Tiflisetsi]

Народ че портите тему? Говорите об архитектуре!

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Vot imenno! Moledets Lamps

vmesto etogo nedorosl Frigian publikuet ocherednuyu fashistskuyu galimatyu pro nedochelovekov gruzin i superchelovekov armyan (bravo moderatori !!!) i provotsiruet Kartvela na rugan.

Malie nerazumnie deti!