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All the Armenians back to Northern India. The original land of Armenians and all the Arians. Do not forget that you are close relatives of Gypsies.

We wont give any land. But we will get back our land occupied by the Armenians. Karabagh Erevan and the Rest of North-West Azerbaijan is Turkish and will always be Turkish.

Thug, Your Greek brothers are so bad. Look at the map of their so-called Greek-Pontus State. Than look at your fictif map. They are claiming parts of your fictif Armenian homeland namely East Black Sea Coast and the city of Trabzon. Assume that we withdraw from Trabzon region. Both Greeks and Armenians are claiming this region. Are u gonna fight with your bros for your homeland?

Ahıska Turks will return. Turkey and our ally Georgia has reached an agreement about this issue. They are officially 692.000. Within a few years our Georgian allies will have no Armenian separatism problem. http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/news_read.asp?id=1266 AHISKA TURKS WİLL RETURN TO THEIR HOMELAND For Ahiska Turks who expelled from their homeland, a new hope emerged. Giorgi Haindrava, Georgian State Minister in charge of breakaway regions stated that they will provide an opportunity of the gradual return for Ahiska Turks who expelled from their homeland during Soviet Union. During his visit to Javakheti where Armenian population constitutes a majority, Haindrava said that Ahiska Turks were subjected to a forced immigration in 1944 and works over their return process are continuing. “All legal rights of Ahiskans like all ethnical minorities in Georgia will be under protection” he said. Before Georgia is accepted to the Council of Europe as a full member, among other things, it must give an opportunity for Ahiska Turks to return to their homeland. Ahiska Turks, coming from Anatolia were forced to settle in the region between 1578 and the Russian invasion in 1828. The essential homelands of Ahiska Turks are regarded as the provinces of Ahiska, Ahılkelek, Aspinza, Adıgen and Bogdanovka that are within the lands of the Republic of Georgia and the neighbors of Turkey. The reason for the classification of the Turks that settled in these regions as Ahiska Turks is that the geographical name of the region that included these provinces was Ahiska. Ahiska Turks was a Turkish group that was exiled for 3 times in the recent 70 years who incurred the wrath of Stalin, the bloody dictator in the year of 1944 and was subjected to exile again. Ahiska Turks expanded to various regions of the USSR in this bloody exile. Today, Ahiska Turks live in 264 different regions of 13 Republics. 70 thousands in 28 centers of population in Russian Federation, 145 thousands in Kazakhstan, 106 thousands in Azerbaijan, 57 thousands in Kyrgyzstan, 30 thousands in Uzbekistan, 18 thousands in Ukraine, 200 thousands in Turkey, and 3000 Ahiska Turks in various countries. There are totally 629 thousands of Ahiska Turks.The reason why Ahiska Turks were subjected to exile was kept as confidential information for exactly 47 years. The subject was revealed upon the publication of the major documents that were related with the exiles in the year of 1991. Lavrentiy Beriya of Georgian roots, Superintendent of the Public Internal Affairs of the USSR sent a letter of proposal to Georgian İ.V. Stalin, the President of the State Defense Committee who was equipped with all authorities due to the state of war. In his letter (24th July 1944), he stated that “most of the Turkish nation that reside in the regions of Georgia SSR on the border of Turkey have an inclination of immigration upon their relations with their relatives on the side of Turkey. They are smugglers and they are engaged as spies for the Turkish intelligence bodies and they constitute manpower for the brigands”. Due to this statement, he proposed that 16700 families (with a population of 86.000-91.000) could be exiled from Ahiska region towards the Central Asia. Instead of these people, he also proposed the settlement of 7000 Georgian families from the districts that suffered lack of sufficient land in Georgia. After one week pursuant to this letter, the “exile” activities were initiated upon the Resolution of State Defense Committee that was signed by Stalin.

Mr Humanist Turk. This matter has nothing to do with Christianism. Gagauz Turks are also christians who are very loyal to their Turkish identity. Thats a war between the races. Armenians and Greeks are our eternal enemies. YES. We have killed lots of Armenians. Because they betrayed, colloborated with French, Russians and wanted to set up a state in our land. Everybody who want to steal our land deserve to be killed. They are currently occupying the West Azerbaijan(so-called Armenian state). Did you know that Azerbaijani Turks were making up the majority of Erevan till the beginning of this century? At the moment there is even not an Azerbaijani Turk LİVİNG in the historical land of Safewids, Afshars, Gacars and Revan Khanete.They are still claiming East Turkey, Half of Azerbaijan and the land of Ahıska Turks. You'll see that territorial claims of Armenian members of everywhere. We are not afraid of anyone. If the Armenian army crosses our border they'll get their lesson and Turkish army will save the West Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan Military forces and millions of voluntaries from İranian Azerbaijan are also behind us.

"Population: 4516,3 (January 2005 est.) Ethnic composition of Georgia is 83.8% Georgian, 6.5% Azeri, 5.7% Armenian, 1.5% Russian, other 2.5% (2002 census). The religious composition of Georgia is 83.9% Orthodox Christian, 9.9% Muslim, 3.9% Armenian-Gregorian, 0.8% Catholic, 0.8% other, none 0.7% (2002 census). The official language is Georgian. However, Russian, Armenian, Azeri are spoken by ethnic minorities." After the return of Ahıska Turks(officially 692.000) to their homeland in Georgia The turks will be %15. Moreover the Armenian separatism problem in this country will be definitely solved because the Ahıska Turks shall outnumber the Ottoman Armenians who were brought to Ahıskaeli(land of Ahıska Turks) by Russians.

I dont exagarete the numbers. According to the last reliable population census which was carried uit in 1957 before Arabization policy of Kirkuk by the Baath Party Turkmens were numbering 567.000. At that time Irak's population was only a little bit more than 5 million. Ethnic structure of Kirkuk city centre according to the 1957 census: %37 Turkish %33 Kurdish %26 Arab %4 others Even your Kurdish allies Barzani and the Talabani refer usually to that last reliable census in order to prove the non-Arabic character of Kirkuk. Lets come to the issue of Ahıska. Acording to the statistical officials of Russia and the other ex-Soviet republics(2001) there 692.000 Ahıska Turks all over the world. But I think the number is much more higher because hundreds thousands of Ahıska Turks living in Turkey. Lets accept that my 1,5 million is exaggareted and the official number 692.000 reflects the truth. Even in that case, Ahıska Turks who will return their homeland will uitnumber the Ottoman Armenians who were settled in that regions by the Russian colonialists. The Armenian number in Georgia is just lying somewhere between 400.000-450.000. I think you must get used to be the idea of having a new neighbour Turkish community in your northern borders. That's the unique solution for Georgians if they are really wishing to get rid of the Armenian separatism in their country.

http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/news_read.asp?id=1266 AHISKA TURKS WİLL RETURN TO THEIR HOMELAND For Ahiska Turks who expelled from their homeland, a new hope emerged. Giorgi Haindrava, Georgian State Minister in charge of breakaway regions stated that they will provide an opportunity of the gradual return for Ahiska Turks who expelled from their homeland during Soviet Union. During his visit to Javakheti where Armenian population constitutes a majority, Haindrava said that Ahiska Turks were subjected to a forced immigration in 1944 and works over their return process are continuing. “All legal rights of Ahiskans like all ethnical minorities in Georgia will be under protection” he said. Before Georgia is accepted to the Council of Europe as a full member, among other things, it must give an opportunity for Ahiska Turks to return to their homeland. Ahiska Turks, coming from Anatolia were forced to settle in the region between 1578 and the Russian invasion in 1828. The essential homelands of Ahiska Turks are regarded as the provinces of Ahiska, Ahılkelek, Aspinza, Adıgen and Bogdanovka that are within the lands of the Republic of Georgia and the neighbors of Turkey. The reason for the classification of the Turks that settled in these regions as Ahiska Turks is that the geographical name of the region that included these provinces was Ahiska. Ahiska Turks was a Turkish group that was exiled for 3 times in the recent 70 years who incurred the wrath of Stalin, the bloody dictator in the year of 1944 and was subjected to exile again. Ahiska Turks expanded to various regions of the USSR in this bloody exile. Today, Ahiska Turks live in 264 different regions of 13 Republics. 70 thousands in 28 centers of population in Russian Federation, 145 thousands in Kazakhstan, 106 thousands in Azerbaijan, 57 thousands in Kyrgyzstan, 30 thousands in Uzbekistan, 18 thousands in Ukraine, 200 thousands in Turkey, and 3000 Ahiska Turks in various countries. There are totally 629 thousands of Ahiska Turks. The reason why Ahiska Turks were subjected to exile was kept as confidential information for exactly 47 years. The subject was revealed upon the publication of the major documents that were related with the exiles in the year of 1991. Lavrentiy Beriya of Georgian roots, Superintendent of the Public Internal Affairs of the USSR sent a letter of proposal to Georgian İ.V. Stalin, the President of the State Defense Committee who was equipped with all authorities due to the state of war. In his letter (24th July 1944), he stated that “most of the Turkish nation that reside in the regions of Georgia SSR on the border of Turkey have an inclination of immigration upon their relations with their relatives on the side of Turkey. They are smugglers and they are engaged as spies for the Turkish intelligence bodies and they constitute manpower for the brigands”. Due to this statement, he proposed that 16700 families (with a population of 86.000-91.000) could be exiled from Ahiska region towards the Central Asia. Instead of these people, he also proposed the settlement of 7000 Georgian families from the districts that suffered lack of sufficient land in Georgia. After one week pursuant to this letter, the “exile” activities were initiated upon the Resolution of State Defense Committee that was signed by Stalin.

You should know your new neighbours :lol: http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/news_read.asp?id=1266 AHISKA TURKS WİLL RETURN TO THEIR HOMELAND For Ahiska Turks who expelled from their homeland, a new hope emerged. Giorgi Haindrava, Georgian State Minister in charge of breakaway regions stated that they will provide an opportunity of the gradual return for Ahiska Turks who expelled from their homeland during Soviet Union. During his visit to Javakheti where Armenian population constitutes a majority, Haindrava said that Ahiska Turks were subjected to a forced immigration in 1944 and works over their return process are continuing. “All legal rights of Ahiskans like all ethnical minorities in Georgia will be under protection” he said. Before Georgia is accepted to the Council of Europe as a full member, among other things, it must give an opportunity for Ahiska Turks to return to their homeland. Ahiska Turks, coming from Anatolia were forced to settle in the region between 1578 and the Russian invasion in 1828. The essential homelands of Ahiska Turks are regarded as the provinces of Ahiska, Ahılkelek, Aspinza, Adıgen and Bogdanovka that are within the lands of the Republic of Georgia and the neighbors of Turkey. The reason for the classification of the Turks that settled in these regions as Ahiska Turks is that the geographical name of the region that included these provinces was Ahiska. Ahiska Turks was a Turkish group that was exiled for 3 times in the recent 70 years who incurred the wrath of Stalin, the bloody dictator in the year of 1944 and was subjected to exile again. Ahiska Turks expanded to various regions of the USSR in this bloody exile. Today, Ahiska Turks live in 264 different regions of 13 Republics. 70 thousands in 28 centers of population in Russian Federation, 145 thousands in Kazakhstan, 106 thousands in Azerbaijan, 57 thousands in Kyrgyzstan, 30 thousands in Uzbekistan, 18 thousands in Ukraine, 200 thousands in Turkey, and 3000 Ahiska Turks in various countries. There are totally 629 thousands of Ahiska Turks. The reason why Ahiska Turks were subjected to exile was kept as confidential information for exactly 47 years. The subject was revealed upon the publication of the major documents that were related with the exiles in the year of 1991. Lavrentiy Beriya of Georgian roots, Superintendent of the Public Internal Affairs of the USSR sent a letter of proposal to Georgian İ.V. Stalin, the President of the State Defense Committee who was equipped with all authorities due to the state of war. In his letter (24th July 1944), he stated that “most of the Turkish nation that reside in the regions of Georgia SSR on the border of Turkey have an inclination of immigration upon their relations with their relatives on the side of Turkey. They are smugglers and they are engaged as spies for the Turkish intelligence bodies and they constitute manpower for the brigands”. Due to this statement, he proposed that 16700 families (with a population of 86.000-91.000) could be exiled from Ahiska region towards the Central Asia. Instead of these people, he also proposed the settlement of 7000 Georgian families from the districts that suffered lack of sufficient land in Georgia. After one week pursuant to this letter, the “exile” activities were initiated upon the Resolution of State Defense Committee that was signed by Stalin.

The Turkmens marching with the blue flags of Turkmeneli and Iraqi Turkmen Front. Iraqi Turkmen Front has currently three deputies in the Parlement. 2 from Mousol and 1 from Kirkuk. Besides 5 deputies are elected throught The Shiite List(Sistani Alliance) since %75 of the 3 milllion Turkish Population are Shiites. Ayatollah Mewla El-Taki who is the second person in SCIRI(el-hekim's organization-the biggest Shiite party) is a Turkmen from Talafar. There are also 2 Turkish deputies in the Kurdish parties, 1 in the Sunni İslamic Party, 1 in the party of ex-prime minister Allawi. Totally=12 As you see dear Armenians we Turks are everywhere. You are challening a great nation which spreads from East Siberia to Macedonia. A small nation of a few million people are challenging a big pride nation of 250 million despite the fact that they are surrounded by Azerbaijan state, Turkey and İranian Azerbaijan. Soon Akhıska-Mesket Turks(which were driven by Stalin to Siberia and Middle Asia in 1944) will return from exile to their homeland Ahıska and Ahılkelek. Georgia and Turkey has reached an accord about this issue. Over a few years you'll have 1,5 million Turkish neighbours in your Northern border. Than nowhere to escape. East= Azerbaijan, West =Turkey, South =İranian Azerbaijani Turcs(they'll be free after the American invasion. So you'll be no more borders with the Persian State but South Azerbaijan Turkish Republic with capital Tabriz) and finally north=Akhıksa-Meshet Turks.

Map of Turkmeneli-Irak

2006 Turkmen demonstration in Kirkuk-Capital of Turkmeneli. Thousands of Iraki Turks are protesting the US invasion and their Kurdish collaborators.

DEMOGRAPHICS Information regarding the Turkoman demographics has been kept secret for various reasons by the Iraqi administration. In accordance with the state’s assimilation policies no realistic and independent census results have been revealed regarding the Iraqi Turkoman population like the other ethnic groups. So far a census has been carried out five times in Iraq. In the census carried out in 1947 the population of Kirkuk was 286.005 (5.9 % of total population), in the 1957 census 388.939 (6 % of total population), 473.626 (5.8 of total population) in the 1965 census, 495.425 (4.15 % of total population) in the 1977 census (during 1975-1977 the Kirkuk area was reduced from 19.543 km to 9.426 km). After the 17 October 1987 census was carried out the Iraqi officials only disclosed the general population as 16 million. Because of the attitude of the Iraqi authorities all the statistical information published so far have consisted of unrealistic numbers; the ratio of Turkish residents has been shown as 2 %. That is why all the research and publications prepared by foreign researchers has been based on this false information available as research sources and especially encyclopedias. The interesting part is the fact that the calculations regarding the Turkoman population have been carried out amateurishly. Effort has been lavished to ignore a living entity. A simple mathematical equation is enough to refute the administrations claims with the information published by the Iraqı Minister of Planning. According to the statistical estimates made in 1981 the total population of provinces populated by Turkoman was 3.467.269 which distributes as follows: 1.227.25 in Mosul, 402.067 in Selahattin, 567.957 in Kirkuk, 637.778 in Diala and 632.252 in Arbil. According to the same estimates the total population of Iraq was 13.669.689. Since the ratio of Turks in Iraq is 2% according to Iraqi publications, the number of Turks in the region of 3.467.269 was merely 273.393 which means that there is a ratio of 7.88 % in the area. In other words this means that out of every 100 persons in the provinces of Iraq populated by Turks only 8 are of Turkish origin. However, on touring the region, it is immediately obvious how far from the truth this number is. In fact it would be more truthful to claim the opposite in some provinces. It is a known fact that until the 1960’s 95 % of the population of Kirkuk was Turkish. However, in line with the Arabization policies carried out thereafter, tens of thousands of Arab families were settled into Kirkuk. In addition to this, the demolishing of Kurdish villages in the surrounding provinces contributed to the migration of the Kurds into Kirkuk. This is why the overwhelming Turkish majority in Kirkuk was reduced from 95 % to 75 % in the 1980’s. If we calculate the average ratio of the population of Kirkuk with Iraq’s total population during the 40 year period from 1947 to 1987 we come up with the figure 5.19 %. This means that when the total population determined by the 1987 census is compared with Kirkuk’s population the figure should be 830.400. If the 75 % ratio is used to calculate the estimated Turkish population the result is 622.800. If the ratio is calculated according to the 1981 statistics (4.15 %) the figure is 664.000; if the ratio is calculated according to 75 % the number is 498.000 which means that the 2 % claim made by Iraq is not only discredited in the example of Kirkuk province, but also in the whole region. Our claim is supported by a statistical calculation. It was determined in the 1957 census carried out during the Monarchy that 500.000 Turkoman were resident in Iraq and the census data published in 1959 displayed the figure as 567.000. According to calculations made, the annual population growth rate in Iraq is 3.296 %. Using the year 1959 as basis the number of Turkoman living in Iraq in 1994 is found as: n P1 = P0 ( 1+t) 35 P1 = 567.000 (1+0.03296) P1 = 1.764.029, which is a different method to discredit Iraq’s claims. No matter how hard the past administrations and the present regime have tried to conceal and minimize the Turkish population, the approximate total of the 300.000 strong Turkoman population living in the provinces of Kirkuk, Arbil, Mosul, the districts and villages of Selahattin and Diyala and Baghdad is proof that even the most pessimistic estimate places the Turkoman population well over two million. Settlement Situation The Turkoman who have been present in Iraq well over a thousand years, live in the center of the northern part of the country. Today the Turkoman are spread within the borders of Mosul, Arbil, Kirkuk, Diyala and Selahattin provinces and a few boroughs of the capital city Baghdad. During the English occupation, W.R.Hay who was the political governor of Arbil at the time wrote in a book about the region: " There are some cities along a certain zone. The residents of these cities speak Turkish. This zone separates the mainly Kurdish region from the mainly Arab region. Kirkuk is a center densely populated by Turks. Before the First World War the population was 30.000. There are many villages in the vicinity of the city, where Turkish is spoken.” In another area in the book the author writes; "Two important separate settlement areas worth mentioning in which Turkish is spoken are Arbil and Altunköprü. The latter is an island on the Küçük Zap river. The shores of the river are connected with two bridges ". Al-Haydari writes in his book “Renovation of Arbil Castle” published by the General Directorate of Culture and Youth which is connected to the Autonomous region in Iraq: " (….) During the last period (Ottoman period) the Castle was the central district of Arbil’s well to do. " When describing the Castle he says: "The Arbil Castle remains in the center of the city consisting of three residential boroughs. These three boroughs are Saray in the east, Tophane in the southwest and Tekke in the northwest (...)" which plainly displays the Turkish side of Arbil (Turkish names). Hüseyin Fadıl portrays Turkish settlement areas Kirkuk, Arbil etc. in his book " Mosul Problem" as follows; "(….) The Commission has determined that the settlers of these cities are originally Turkish. The most popular people here are the Turks. They speak Turkish within the family circle. The Commission has also determined that 5 of the muktar (headmen) in Arbil are Turkish, 1 muktar is half Turkish, half Kurdish and 1 muktar is Jewish. In addition it has been determined that the only newspaper printed in Kirkuk under the supervision of the administration is in Turkish and all official correspondence is carried out in Arabic and Turkish. The Commission also determined that the English political officer spoke Turkish, while he had no knowledge of Arabic or Kurdish. This same Commission also determined that Altunköprü was actually Turkish, with the exception of some Jewish families Tuzhurmatu was Turkish or Turkoman, 75 % of Karatepe was Turkish or Turkoman with 22 % Kurdish and 3 % Arab minorities and some villages had been inhabited by migrating Kurds. Since 1957 the Iraqi administrations have endeavored to remodel the demographic structure of the region by changing the administrative sections of the Turks’ settlement region. In 1957 the Turkoman people had mostly settled in the provinces of Mosul, Arbil and Diyala. At that time the administrative sections were as follows ; Mosul Province : Central district with 3 connecting subdistricts and 209 villages. Al-Şora 397 Amadiye 299 Dohok 226 Sincar 174 Zaho 256 Akra 244 Şeyhan 150 Telafer 198 (9 districts, 26 subdistricts and 2153 villages were connected to Mosul province.) Arbil Province : Central district with 1 connecting subdistrict and 223 villages Kifri 3 243 Revanduz 3 252 Zeybar 3 124 Köysancak 2 142 Şaklava 3 176 (6 districts, 15 subdistricts and 1151 villages were connected to Arbil province.) Kirkuk Province : Central district with 5 connecting subdistricts and 520 villages Kifri 3 318 Çemçemal 3 202 Tuzhurmatu 3 234 (4 districts, 14 subdistricts and 1274 villages were connected to Kirkuk province) Diyala Province : Bakıba district with 2 connecting subdistricts and 134 villages Halis 3 171 Hanekin 4 213 Mendeli 2 84 Karahan 2 116 (5 districts, 13 subdistricts and 718 villages were connected to Diyala province.) At that time Salman Beğ subdistrict was connected to Baghdad Central district and 33 villages were connected to this subdistrict.

[attachmentid=32498] Hey dashnak, Grey Wolfs are coming from Turkey, Northern Azerbaijan, South Azerbaijan(currently under Persian occupation), Borchali-Georgia, Kirkuk-Turkmeneli-Irak,. We shall raise Our Grey Wolf flag on the bastions of historical Turkish town Erevan. Soon u shall leave the occupied North-West Azerbaijan. Hopefully u have a relative in France or US.