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I beg you not to get too personally on this forum, at least concerning me, I am not willing to bear any kind of personal accusations to my address... I don't know you, I have not met you, you don't know me, let's keep it on the level of virtual discussion...there has not been a war, as long as I know, there has been a terrorist strike inside of Azerbaijani legal boundaries, which was backed by REpublic of Armenia's terroristic intentions. No one declared a war agains Azerbaijan, no one haas won the war agains Azerbaijan. Armenian and Karabakhi terrosris are holding Azerbaijani legal land under occupation.I do not know the Turkish history as well to debate with you here about the details, however the mere fact that only in Istanbul there are 52 christian churches and in Armenia only one (i to za schot Irana) muslim mechet tells everything about Turkey and Armenia. Kurdish subject is totally out off our topic. Kurdish problem (if there is one) is Turkey's internal issue. Majority of Turkish population elects their representatives to the government, and they decide what is good for the country.Turkish government tries hard to secure nice life for their people as your government do for yours. In modern world global politics require local states to play "game of two standarts". Turkey can't be Saudi-Arabia or China. About accepting turkey to the christian and muslim world many countries have already done it. Turkey is 118 times economically powerful than any caucasian country including Armenia, they are 54 times militality as powerful as any country in Caucasia... every state recognazes turkey, it's culture, it's nation, it's cities, it' industry, it's music, it's art, and it's religion... you should more be worried about who will recognaze Armenia as a christian state, not Turkey as a muslim...

you did exactly the same thing as I described in my previous posting. Ignoring others personal opinion is ignorant and easy way out, but it takes guts to explain why you think the other party is wrong.

I don't where is Velichko, all I am tring to do, is to find out how Armenians feel about the other side of the story.You guys claim you are the best, you the unique, your the most ancient and all the turk are barbarians, uncivilized and uncultured societies. Well I have already been convinced that such a view lays deep in the memory cell of your brains where they can not be desturbed. No matter what we say, no matter what we show, no matter what you see, you'll will always hate all turks teahc your kids to hate turks, always dream about Great Armenia, pure armenian nation and off course Miatsum. The only way to stop you from doing this would be not to deal with you at all. Just leave you alone, let you do whatever you want at your house. And when ever you come out with "pritenzii" to somewhat more, just put you back to your place. Tha's the only way.Otherwise it's not possible, you don't say Turkish nation is one of the most democratic among muslim states, you say they are the human-like animals. The stories of the genocide of Suren grandpa has made you so blind that you don't see any compramises in anything....YOU SAY THE ONLY WAY IS THE ARMENIAN WAY... well can't get far with that...

of course will be deleted, as all of my other replies, posts, and topics....way to go...

here is the address if link does not work...http://www.stjohnpress.com/the_great_deception.htm

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those comditions that Azerbaijan had created for Armenians to enjoy in Baku, in Janca, in Mingechaur no other country did ever before. And now here you go, no one has posted anything in topic "Armane i Mir II"... How ungrateful are those armenians who lived in Azerbaijan, and now does not even want to drop a word about it...Of course they can't, or some foreign observer would notice what a nice live had Armenians in Azerbaijan... no no no... impossible, all you know about Armenians living in Azerbaijan is "Sumqait"... that's it, nothing esle, you don't remember darn, this how you thank for hospitality...I am not surprises

vot ti pessimist haaa????

he is right... even though it seems pretty unbeleivable but, communication industry is where the most donations from diaspora went throught 1991-1997. I don't know what they are buying now? Mig-29s from russia or Web Servers from Malaysia. However each and every president of Armenia understands the importance of communication ease with the world, and directs investment insentives into that areaAnd besides for a country like Armenia which has to advertice to the world about their "genocide" and "suffer from Azerbaijani agression" internet means a lot... They have to let the world know about "duduk and dhol" before we finally sing our Mugam, they have to let the world know about "genocide" before turks come up with historical proofs, and they have to show on purpose suffering of refugees claiming that we are the agressive neighbor, before we come up with our refugees.So do not be surpriced about the number of subscribers in Armenia, I don't think they will run to far ahead of Azerbaijan, but it will take awhile to catch up with them in internal-communication reformation.

slushay Defender ti cho moi posti tak massovo ubirayesh???

ocherednoy spor, kotoromu ne budet konca,,,that's why I am not going to argue...

By the way,Mercury they did answer to your question about "What turk contribute to world history", but you just never accepted those answers as real ones. Well what else did you expect?Regards.

greatings from Philly,Well more I debate about these issues, more it becomes clear to me that it's it pointless. I think I gonna end up banning myself from debates with Armenians about history, culture. It seems to me more valuable to talk about present and future.Let's talk about present and future. That seems more interesting and there are things to discuss. I remember once 2nd democratic president of Azerbaijan Abulfez Elchibey to the question of the journalist which sounded like this "What do you think about the whole Karabakh issue, and Arezbaijani-Armenian relations? ", he answered "I am not going to try to interpret future, but as for now there more things that unite these two countries than separate" ... well Elchibey is gone now... he did what he could and I don't think it was enough...For now until the last "dot" is placed in the fate of Qarabag, he will fight, argue and sometimes kill each other. And I don't think there will be any solution to this problem, unless we start talking nation to nation, not president to president. I regret that I got in to you cultural topic, about Armenian food, music or whatever. If even I wouldn't have any national meal, I would not recognaze it either. SO it's pointless. History is done, the most we can do about it is remeber and be proud. What about present??? or future??? Will We Ever Be Able To Live Like Neighbors Again???Regards,PS: To Klara" Well I am from a city called Mingechaur, in Azerbaijan. I was born there, currently I am in US studing.

Mercury,You said that those Armenians, who live abroad, have to balance their traditions with the nation that they reside with. That makes sense, can't ignore that thought, however... What about those Armenians who I personally know, or have sometime met which consider the traditions of the local area their own. Like Klara pointed out that those Armenians who come from Lebanon or Turkey think of Arabian and Turkish tradition as their own. When I say tradition I mean national music, art, holidays, food.By the way "the food"... Once I was chatting with an armenian in Philadelphia. After huge amount of time that we spent debating about the common "don't touch or I'll get mad" point - Karabakh, I asked him to take me to some Armenian food place in Philadelphia. We settled time and went to place called "Armenian Delight" in Media, PA. I was very excited to discover Armenian food for myself, but I ended up eating "de-formatted" Arabian platter. He ordered some rise and meet which I also can get at my university campus place called "Ali's Middle Eastern". Now when you ask an Armenian in Turkey about their food, I am absolutely sure he will bring up some "De-formatted" Turkish food.As you come closer to Caucasus Armenians there national food which appears to be tolma, bozbash, kufte and etc. All which somehow can be found in Baku restaurants. I am not gonna make conclusion I hope my point is clear. But I want you to answer to my question, if you don't mind. These can be two explanations, either Armenian taught Turkey, Lebanon and Azerbaijan how to cook, that's why the food is so similar, OR Armenians just adopted the food of these nations and claim those their own. SO which answer you think is right???Regards. Ken. PS: Levon by the way by the dinner table admitted that Armenian food is similar to Lebanese. :0 :0 :0 what a surprise????

Tigris i Ephrat toje vash znachit??? .....do cheqo vi doshli..... xorosheqo konca etomu ne budet'.....

Hi to everyone, especially to Mercury,ok, I read Klara saying how Armenians from turkey, lebanon and some other states are more oriental. The don't seem to be the same as the armenians from Caucasus. Can anyone explain (not copy and paste huge texts) in few word the reason for such a diversity among Armenians from all around the world.Regards.PS: Why turkish peopla who live in US, Lebanon or Germany play and dance national music? Why do the tukr in US and Europe and Asia play their music? But Armenians in Turkey got their different type of armenian songs, in Lebanon other type and in Caucasus another?

#### man...I have not been around for almost 2 months by now. Just wanted to see, what's goin' on in here, and there you go, again and again same paople are retelling the same jokes...YOU ARE RIGHT, ONLY ARMENIANS ARE THE REAL RESIDENTS OF CAUCASUS... we azeris just got here and somehow are twice as much as you are...#### man...what a shame...

i wish you were all here, next to me...

cheqooooo medaliiii?????da nam medaley v zimnix iqrax kak nashix ushey vidat'...qotovtes k letnim, necheqo vrema poprostu terat'... :exclamation: :exclamation:

model sovremennoqo armanskoqo mishleniya o demokratii...molodes webmaster

loool...u Anreqistra vremani netu, dolqo pisat', on svot stats ulutshayet..)

eeee...Spasibo za informaciyu, i posle etoqo u nix yazik povorachevayetsa nazovat turkov nelyudmi... kakiye dvulichniye bliiiiin...

qomoseksuali vi sami, po ismalu eto zapresheno, bolshoy qrex...Na schot moey nevinnoy frazi, kotoraya tebe takoy aqressivnoy pokozalos', ya moqu skazat tolko sleduyusheye. A chto vi ojidayete pomoqli Karabaxskim terroristom okkupiravat zemli Qarabagskoy Avtonomnoy Oblasti, pomoqali im orujiyem, jivoy siloy, esho i v dobavok rayoni vne Qarabaga okkupirovali... shas cho vi xotite, chtob mi obovsyom zabili, tak i jili s pyatnom na nashey sovesti. ne poydot tak...Ponimayesh mi ne privikli proiqrovat, mi k voyne votlichii ot vas ne qotovilis, a vi udarili vnezaptno. A shas je delo druqoye. Mi znayem kto, qde, i kak...Na schot toqo chtob Azerbaydjanci kuda to ubeqali, eto voobshe absurd. V Qarabage nashi soldati ne beqali, ix otzivali s postov, kto eto delal neznayu, no uznayem, i nakajem...A mirniye beqali potomu chto v nix panika bila, potomu chto politiki iqralis imi, chtob dostich svoi personalniye plani. Vot pochemu, na nas stoit eto pyatno proiqravshix. Za schot nashix krovojadnix politikov, i vashix fidobanditov (fadaini oni vovrema Shaxa Ismayila nazivalis voynami kotoriye umirali za ima shaxa, a vashi terroristi oni fido-banditi)...Vot pochemu mi proiqrali... Vayna bilo v pervuyu ochered vnutri Azerbaydjana, a potom svami... A na etot raz ves narod budet idti, potomuchto znayesh chto terat nam bolshe necheqo...

ala ne ponimayehs, ne nado, voobshe ne chitay... a esli chitayesh tam yasno napisano...Dolma azerbaydjanskaya, Bozbash toje, i Plov, i shish-kabab, i lyula-kabab...a vi priyexali poeli, ponravilos, xotite svoim sdelat....Rebata na forume nachali off-topic idti, a ya im napomnil chto topic pro Armenizasiyu Azerbaydjanskix Blud...PONAL VARTAN...ARMENIZACIYU AZERBAYDJANSKIX BLYUD...tak esli do teba eto, prostaya vesh ne doxodit, to izveni proshe ne moqu obyasnit... esli doydot day mne znat'...

U moey strani est' ima - Azerbaijan. Proshu ne skakim stanom eqo ne putat'. Ta fraza ya dumal pro arman bilo, u nas v narode esho odna est, zvuchit primerno tak "Ubejit, kak armenin ot qrovi"...Na Kavkaze 3 naroda projivayut, qde iz nix korenniye, odna "deportirovanniya". Qrizini krasiviy narod, ochen daje duxovitiy, voobshe oni klasniye. Azerbaydjanskomu narodu posledniy vek udalsa ne vlutshuyu. Bili i udachi i ne-udachi. U nas u seba v respublike shas anarxiya, tak na voynu mi ne poydom. Nujno podqotovitsa, tak kak porajeniya mi bolshe ne pozvolim nastiqnut nas. A na etot raz voyna to budet voobshe druqaya. Rossiya ne budet tak silno podderjivat vas, u azerbaydjana shas armiya svaya poyavilas, u nas svoi zapasi est', turki nashix soldatov treniruyut. Ponimayesh li doroqoy moy Vartan, ya ne jelayu voyni, ona necheqo ne reshit v serdcax lyudey, ona tolko qranisi repedelivayet, no esli ona budet mejdu Azerbaydjanom i Armeniyey, ya v nashey podebe ne na minutu ne samnevayus... tak chto posmotrim, vrema vso pokajet...