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Chempionati Evropi po shaxmatam provodyatsya kazdiye dva goda V perviy raz Armenia igrala v chempionate Evropi v 1997 (Pula Croatia) i zanyala 3-e mesto. Sleduyuchiy chempionat Evropi proxodil v Batumi v 1999 i tam Armenia zanyala 1-oe mesto Sleduyuchie dva chempionata (Leon Spain 2001) i nineshniy (Plovdiv Bulgaria 2003) nasha sbornaya proignorirovala. Opredelyonniye treniya v armyanskoy shaxmatnoy srede na litso.... Na posledney shakhmatnoy Olimpiade v (Slovenii, Bled 2002), Armenia zanyala 3-e mesto propustiv vperyod russkix i vengrov. Glavnim russkim bill Kasparov, a tret'im kak i Kasparov na polovinu armyanskiy Grischuk. Za vtoroy i chetvyortoy doskoy igrali Morozevich i Bareev. Kstate trener armyanskoy sbornoy Arshak Petrosyan takz'e yavlyaetsya glavnim trenerom i testem Petra Leko (pervaya doska Vengrii i pretendent na koronu) Chto kasayetsya komandnix chempionatov Mira, to v 2001 godu Armenia prishla 3-ey. Ukraina i Rossiya zanyali pervoe i vtoriye mesta sootvetstvenno. Eto bilo v Yerevane. Do etogo chempionat mira proxodil v Lucerne Switzerland 1997. Tam opyat'' Armenia prishla 3-ey. Rossiya i Amerika 1 i 2 mesta. Soglasno poslednim reytingam FIDE 7 armyanskix shakhmatistov vxodyat v pervuyu sotnyu. eto ne tol'ko samiy visokiy pokazatel' na dushu naseleniya po stranam, no i po absolyutnomu chislu... mi tol'ko ustupayem Rossii. A teper' o neskol'ko grustnom..... K soz'alenyu stalo izvestno chto vosxodyachaya zvezda Levon Aronian budet otnine predstavlyat' Germaniyu. V proshlom godu on stal chempionom mira sredi yunoshey, a v etom godu on viigral mirovoye pervenstvo po "shakhmatam Fischera" ili kak estcho ix nazivyut CHESS-960 V sleduyuchem godu on budet igrat' na zvaniye chempiona mira po fisherovskim shakhmatam s Petrom Svidlerom. Niz'e provodyatsya tablitsi nekotorix chempionatov v kotorix vistupala muz'skaya sbornaya Armenii Batumi, Georgia (European man championship) 27.11 - 08.12.1999 1. Armenia 22,5 2. Hungary 22 3. Germany 21 4. Bulgaria 20,5 5. Russia 20,5 6. Ukraine 20,5 7. Israel 20,5 8. Slovenia 20,5 9. Belarus 20 10. England 19,5 11. Netherlands 19,5 12. Czech Republic 19,5 13. Bosnia and Herzegovina 19,5 14. Switzerland 19,5 15. Poland 19,5 16. Spain 19 17. Latvia 19 18. Sweden 18,5 19. Italy 18,5 20. Croatia 18,5 21. Georgia-2 18,5 22. Romania 18,5 23. Azerbaijan 18 24. Lithuania 18 25. Macedonia 18 26. France 17,5 27. Yugoslavia 17 28. Slovakia 17 29. Georgia 16,5 30. Portugal 16,5 31. Austria 16 32. Finland 15,5 33. Belgium 15,5 34. Turkey 15 35. Scotland 6,5 36. Ireland 5,5 Pula, Croatia (European man championship) 05 - 15.05.1997 1. England 22,5 2. Russia 22,5 3. Armenia 22 4. Hungary 21,5 5. Germany 21,5 6. Israel 21 7. Croatia-1 20,5 8. Georgia 20 9. Belarus 19,5 10. Bosnia and Herzegovina 19,5 11. Netherlands 19,5 12. Poland 19,5 13. Estonia 19 14. Switzerland 19 15. Azerbaijan 19 16. Slovakia 19 17. Sweden 19 18. Latvia 18 19. Spain 18 20. Turkey 18 21. Italy 17,5 22. Croatia-2 17,5 23. Lithuania 17 24. Czech Republic 17 25. Greece 17 26. Macedonia 17 27. Slovenia 16,5 28. Portugal 16,5 29. Finland 15,5 30. Austria 15,5 31. Ireland 12,5 32. Scotland 8,5 33. Wales 6,5 Bled Slovenia 35 Chess olympiad Rank Team + = - Pts. BH. 1 Russia 10 3 1 38½ 460 2 Hungary 11 2 1 37½ 454½ 3 Armenia 7 4 3 35 456½ 4 Georgia 10 0 4 34 458½ 5 China 8 3 3 33½ 456½ 6 Netherlands 9 3 2 33½ 454½ 7 England 7 4 3 33½ 450½ 8 Slovakia 6 5 3 33 445 9 Israel 7 3 4 33 439½ 10 Yugoslavia 8 3 3 33 436 11 FYR Macedonia 7 4 3 33 430½ 12 Switzerland 8 2 4 33 427½ 13 Poland 7 3 4 32½ 451 14 Ukraine 7 4 3 32½ 450½ 15 Bosnia and Herzegovina 8 2 4 32½ 447½ 16 Germany 6 6 2 32½ 446½ 17 Belarus 8 2 4 32½ 442 18 Czech Republic 8 4 2 32½ 438½ 19 Spain 7 3 4 32½ 433½ 20 Uzbekistan 9 0 5 32½ 431 21 Lithuania 6 4 4 32 435 22 Iceland 8 3 3 32 422 23 Croatia 7 1 6 31½ 445 24 France 8 3 3 31½ 441½ 25 Greece 7 3 4 31½ 433½ 26 Denmark 7 3 4 31½ 425½ 27 Bulgaria 6 3 5 31½ 421½ 28 Romania 6 4 4 31 448½ 29 India 7 2 5 31 441 30 Azerbaijan 5 5 4 31 436 31 Moldova 7 1 6 31 431 32 Sweden 8 3 3 31 430 33 Canada 6 3 5 31 423½ 34 Bangladesh 8 2 4 31 414½ 35 Brazil 7 2 5 31 411 36 Ireland 6 4 4 31 408 37 Cuba 8 1 5 30½ 433 38 Italy 7 3 4 30½ 426 39 Philippines 5 4 5 30½ 426 40 Slovenia-A 7 2 5 30½ 425 41 United States 7 2 5 30½ 422 42 Latvia 5 3 6 30½ 416½ 43 Estonia 6 2 6 30½ 414½ 44 Belgium 6 4 4 30½ 414 45 Finland 6 5 3 30½ 411 46 Kazakhstan 6 3 5 30 428½ 47 Vietnam 7 1 6 30 415 48 Norway 6 1 7 30 412½ 49 Scotland 6 1 7 30 412 50 Indonesia 6 2 6 30 409½ 51 Mexico 6 1 7 30 399½ 52 Colombia 6 1 7 29½ 408½ 53 Australia 6 3 5 29½ 407 54 Egypt 6 2 6 29½ 402 55 Qatar 5 4 5 29½ 399 56 Iraq 6 4 4 29½ 394½ 57 Portugal 6 2 6 29½ 389½ 58 Tajikistan 7 2 3 29½ 337 59 Peru 6 1 7 29 406½ 60 Chile 7 0 7 29 394 61 Iran 5 1 8 29 394 62 Slovenia-B 6 2 6 29 390 63 Argentina 4 3 7 28½ 421½ 64 Austria 5 4 5 28½ 411½ 65 Venezuela 6 3 5 28½ 401 66 Paraguay 5 3 6 28½ 397 67 Ecuador 5 5 4 28½ 396 68 Luxembourg 6 2 6 28½ 394½ 69 Turkmenistan 5 4 5 28 418½ 70 Costa Rica 6 1 7 28 394 71 Andorra 6 2 6 28 390½ 72 Kyrgyzstan 6 0 8 28 387½ 73 Albania 5 4 5 28 384 74 Lebanon 6 2 6 28 383 75 Malaysia 7 1 6 27½ 390 76 Turkey 5 3 6 27½ 390 77 Bolivia 7 1 6 27½ 389½ 78 Cyprus 6 2 6 27½ 383 79 Singapore 5 3 6 27½ 373½ 80 Wales 5 2 7 27 393 81 Zambia 5 3 6 27 390½ 82 Dominican Republic 5 3 6 27 385 83 Mongolia 4 5 5 27 381 84 Uruguay 6 1 7 27 380½ 85 ICSC 5 5 4 27 376½ 86 IBCA 7 0 7 27 368 87 New Zealand 6 1 7 27 366½ 88 Angola 5 2 7 26½ 387 89 Thailand 4 1 9 26½ 372 90 Ethiopia 6 3 5 26½ 350 91 United Arab Emirates 5 2 7 26 386 92 Faroe Islands 7 2 5 26 383 93 Algeria 5 1 8 26 382 94 IPCA 6 1 7 26 381½ 95 Yemen 5 0 9 26 357 96 Nigeria 7 3 3 26 326½ 97 Trinidad and Tobago 6 2 6 25½ 361 98 Liechtenstein 6 2 6 25½ 350 99 Tunisia 4 2 8 25 382 100 Sri Lanka 4 2 8 25 368½ 101 Zimbabwe 4 3 7 25 367½ 102 South Africa 5 2 7 25 366 103 Barbados 5 3 6 25 357 104 Libya 6 3 5 25 347½ 105 Malta 5 3 6 25 345 106 Bahrain 6 2 6 25 344 107 Monaco 3 4 7 24½ 364 108 Japan 4 1 9 24½ 351½ 109 Netherlands Antilles 5 2 7 24½ 326½ 110 Botswana 5 2 7 24 368 111 Mauritius 5 3 6 24 346½ 112 Surinam 5 2 7 24 345½ 113 Jamaica 5 1 8 23½ 361½ 114 Uganda 5 2 7 23½ 360½ 115 Palestine 4 3 7 23½ 351½ 116 Jersey 5 2 7 23½ 332½ 117 Nicaragua 2 6 6 23 354½ 118 Honduras 4 2 8 23 347½ 119 Namibia 4 5 5 23 340½ 120 Hong Kong 2 7 5 23 340½ 121 Panama 4 2 8 23 317 122 Kenya 4 2 8 23 300 123 Afghanistan 4 2 8 23 278 124 Brunei 4 2 8 22½ 327½ 125 Aruba 5 0 9 22½ 323½ 126 San Marino 4 2 8 22½ 275½ 127 Brit. Virgin Islands 2 4 8 22 305½ 128 Somalia 2 6 6 21½ 302 129 Papua New Guinea 2 4 8 21½ 287½ 130 Macau 4 3 7 21½ 282½ 131 Bermuda 1 3 10 17½ 279 132 Guernsey 2 2 10 17 276½ 133 Rwanda 3 0 8 15½ 232½ 134 US Virgin Islands 1 2 11 11½ 290½ World Team championship Yerevan Armenia Final Standings: 1. Ukraine - 21.5, 2. Russia - 21, 3. Armenia - 20, 4. Germany - 18.5, 5. Hungary - 16.5, 6. Uzbekistan - 15.5, 7. Cuba - 14.5, 8. FYROM - 9.5, 9. Iran - 7

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Plovdiv Bulgaria Armenian women team (Elina Danielian ,Lilit Mkrtchyan) finished first in European Chess Champinship CONGRATULATIONs

I can't believe that you still continue to discuss this useless topic and devote so much attention to what Israel thinks, says or does. Israel’s immoral stance on this issue is known and has been denounced by both jewish holocust scholars and the intellectual circles. All our attempts for genocide recognition in the US are being blocked by the jewish lobbying organizations and it will continue in the foreseeable future. In fact it is important for Israel to keep the Armenian genocide agenda alive and even enhance its importance at certain points in time. By doing so they can keep the Turks on the leash and always blackmail them by taking the Armenian side. It is definitely an extra leverage for them in dealing with the turks. It is of course unfortunate that Israel's dependence on Turkey comes at some cost to us The only thing we can ask from Israel is to stay away from this issue. Don't make any remarks, don't take sides. just shut up. Animast e ays apushi het vitchel@.

I don't think there is any point in arguing with this Igor guy I got Jewish friends: some of them are kosher some are not. All of them cool. When I told them about that "piece of shit Peres" remarks about the genocide they were genuinely upset. They started researching this topic and found several "article-replies" to this outrageous comments. The most notable ones are by Elli Weisel (one of the most outstanding Holocust Schollars)and Professor Israel Charny,Executive Director of The Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide in Jerusalem, Israel. these are some of the passages from those reply letters 1. Israel's official denial of the Armenian Genocide for the sake of maintaining strong political and military ties with Turkey exposes the moral bankruptcy and political hypocrisy of the state apparatus. To call upon the international community to remember and learn the lessons of the Holocaust, whilst at the same time expressing only contempt and denial for the first genocide of the 20th century, may be politically expedient, but it is morally unforgivable. 2. "It seems to me, according to yesterday's report in the Ankara newspaper, that you have gone beyond a moral boundary that no Jew should allow himself to trespass. You are quoted as follows: "We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide." For the record, in 2000, at a Conference on the Holocaust in Philadelphia, a large number of researchers of the Holocaust, including Israeli historians, signed a public declaration that the Armenian Genocide was factual. Also for the record, in 1997, at the meeting of the Association of Genocide Scholars, the Association as a whole officially voted a resolution that the Armenians had been subject to full-scale genocide. Even as I disagree with you, it may be that in your broad perspective of the needs of the State of Israel, it is your obligation to circumvent and resist from bringing up the subject with Turkey, but as a Jew and an Israeli I am ashamed of the extent to which you have now entered into the range of actual denial of the Armenian Genocide, comparable to denials of the Holocaust. Respectfully, Prof. Israel W. Charny Executive Director, Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide, Jerusalem, Israel Editor-in-Chief, Encyclopedia of Genocide [ABC-Clio Publishers, UK & USA, 1999] 3. Following the opening speech, opposition leader Mr.Yossi Sarid from the Meretz Liberal Party which composes 10 mandates in the Knesset addressed the commemorative rally. In a speech that lasted more than 10 minutes, Mr. Yossi Sarid the former Minister of Education affirmed that he stands behind what he proposed last year concerning the Armenian Genocide. “I am convinced more than ever that the Armenian Genocide should be taught at the Israeli schools,” Sarid stated. Regarding the statements made by the Foreign Minister Mr. Shimon Peres that the Armenian allegations are meaningless, Mr. Yossi Sarid expressed his astonishment and said that it is incomprehensible that someone of Shimon Peres's caliber can show understanding for the denial by the Turks. Mr. Sarid demanded that Peres retract his statement. “I hope that next year Israel will join those states who already recognized the Armenian Genocide”. http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/fisk6.phtml Peres stands accused over denial of 'meaningless' Armenian Holocaust By Robert Fisk in Jerusalem 18 April 2001 One of Israel's leading scholars of the Jewish Holocaust has angrily compared the country's Nobel prize-winning Foreign Minister, Shimon Peres, to a holocaust denier after an interview in which Mr Peres made the astonishing claim that the Armenians - 1.5 million of whom were slaughtered by Ottoman Turks in 1915 - never experienced a genocide. Mr Peres' statement appeared in the Turkish Daily News prior to a recent state visit to Turkey; the paper says he went so far as to refer to the Armenian account of the mass slaughter as "meaningless". Israel Charny, the editor of the distinguished new two-volume Encyclopedia of Genocide, has written to Mr Peres, expressing his shame at the remarks and accusing Mr Peres of going "beyond a moral boundary that no Jew should allow himself to trespass". Dr Charny, who is also executive director of the Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide in Jerusalem, has reminded the Foreign Minister that Israeli academics signed a public declaration at a recent holocaust conference in Philadelphia stating that the Armenian genocide was factual. To the fury of Armenians, and of Dr Charny, Turkey is funding a worldwide campaign to deny the facts of the Armenian holocaust which was unleashed by Ottoman rulers against Turkey's Christian minority in the First World War. Tens of thousands of Armenian men were executed by Turkish forces in 1915, and their families deported to the Syrian desert where they were systematically plundered, raped and butchered by Turkish gendarmes and marauding Kurds. At the time, the British Foreign Office denounced the Armenian holocaust (Winston Churchill first used the word about the Armenians) although today's British Government, apparently fearing Turkish displeasure, initially tried to prevent Armenian participation in this year's Holocaust Memorial Day. Dr Charny, who devotes 45 pages of detailed factual evidence and copies of documents on the Armenian holocaust in his encyclopedia, was among those Israeli historians who refused to give in to Israeli Foreign Ministry pressure when Turkey objected to the inclusion of the Armenian slaughter in a 1982 holocaust conference in Tel Aviv. Dr Charny says Mr Peres telephoned him then, urging him "not to insist on including the subject of the Armenians". When Adolf Hitler was preparing the Nazi extermination of Europe's Jews, he asked his Wehrmacht generals if the world any longer remembered the Armenian genocide; but Israel has often adopted an ambiguous attitude towards the 20th century's first holocaust. Unwilling to antagonise its present-day Turkish ally - and in some cases unwilling to compare Armenian suffering with that of European Jewry - the Israeli Foreign Office persuaded the Jewish Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel to withdraw from the 1982 conference's debates on the Armenians. In Dr Charny's unprecedented letter to Mr Peres, he says: "It seems that because of your wishes to advance very important relations with Turkey, you have been prepared to circumvent the subject of the Armenian genocide in 1915-1920 ... it may be that in your broad perspective of the needs of the state of Israel, it is your obligation to circumvent and desist from bringing up the subject with Turkey, but, as a Jew and an Israeli, I am ashamed of the extent to which you have now entered into the range of actual denial of the Armenian genocide, comparable to denials of the Holocaust." The Turkish newspaper states Mr Peres said Israel should not determine a "philosophical position" on the Armenian holocaust. "We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide." If Mr Peres has been quoted accurately - and he has made no attempt to correct the newspaper - his remarks will deeply offend millions of Armenians. It is standard Turkish policy to refer with contempt to Armenian suffering as "allegations" and to downgrade the Armenian holocaust as a mere "tragedy". To the relief of the millions of Armenians descendants of the 1915 bloodbath, Dr Charny has never wavered. His encyclopedia states bluntly that both the Armenian and Jewish genocides were the products of state-initiated policies. "The Armenian genocide occurred under the circumstances of the Turkish revolution and the First World War," it says, "while the [Jewish] Holocaust was a product of the Nazi revolution and the Second World War." Turkey maintains, despite US diplomatic evidence at the time, that the Armenians were mere victims of a "civil war". An American diplomat, Leslie Davis, the US consul at Harput, saw the bodies of thousands of Armenians in the Turkish countryside in 1915, many of them knifed to death. "A massacre, however horrible the word may sound, would be humane in comparison," he wrote. Page reads: 195