Kars Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Essence, siz haradan (ne şehirden ya memleketten) yazısınız? Տեսնենք թրքերեն հասկանոո՞ւմ է էս ապրանքը: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anm Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Man,Turanist are nationalist and racists.And i said several times before.i am against all of nationalism forms(racism,patriotism...) I dont feel like a Turk or from nother nation.What i feel is being human.How can i tell you with a way that u can understand..F.ck Turanists,f.ck turkish nationalists also armenian nationaslits,racists..Ok? ← I don't think you're sincere here. You're talking of union of nations. Soviet Union also was a brothehood of nations, but this brotherhood had an elder brother. What you propose with your anatolian republic is the same thing (turan). Anyway I couldn't call as a friend the son of my father's killer. Nope,as i investigated and talked with that term armenian and turks..They say that they were living peacefully. ← It's not true. My grand-grands left their native places in Western Armenia in the 19th century because of Armenian massacres by Turks. Oh,there is an expection..i have an armenian girlfriend.But stop,for you armenian can love only armenian,right?This is bullshit and racism..i love her,and she loves me.it is not being armenian or turkish..i love either turkish and armenian nations..if you are stucked in your nationalist and Diaspora's pressurestic ideology,it is your problem and lose.. ← I think that your girlfriend is saying that you're "not as all turks". But I'm afraid she is wrong, your ARE. Even if you're bolshevik)) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Essence Posted September 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 (edited) you really are the Turk & Marksist ? i am marxist,leninist and trockist...But as i said before i am not typical communist..firstly i am freedomist democrat socialist.And we have a party that is named "Freedom and Solidarty Party" in Turkiye.i dont want or support a totalitarian goverment,becauses it causes bureaucratic dictatorships,like Stalin or Garbacov.And totalitarian state can be easily controlled by a class or a race( like Aristocrats,like Turks,Russians or Jews.)And very differences too.if you want to talk about it we can do it on msn. But yes i am mainly marxist.And in turkiye,there are classical communist party like "Communist Party Of Turkey"(Tkp),Emep etc. My msn : mainessence@hotmail Hi,Essence! Are really in Estonia? And you wonna talk about relation between armenians and turkish? I live in Estonia to. So , we can meet and I shall explain you our position. cool.gif Sadly no,but you can contact with me on Msn,if you want.. Essence muallim, where do you live? In which country? Essence, siz haradan (ne şehirden ya memleketten) yazısınız? from Istanbul,Turkiye. Do you have a university education? If yes, in which country? Yes,i am student in Bogazici University(istanbul,Turkiye) and probably i will do my master in Cambridge university.. You don't know, that all turks are marxists since Kemal Ataturk promised bolshevik russia to participate in worldwide expansion of bolshevik revolution, the territories of Kars and Trapison, as well agreement about Naxichevan were presents to red brothers, who even paint their flag to RED color... is mustafa Kemal a bolshevik?Dont say this to any historion or a guy that has info about this,because they will laugh at you.Firstly he is a Turkish nationalist.And he is also a liberal.His policies were for improving Private Sector.And he said as " Communism must be destroyed,where it is seen." And you still call him as A Bolshevik?in Turkiye socialist voters are only about %10-20..And these votes are divided to many parties.And you call all Turks are marxists..this is foolishness. And Mustafa Kemal's Party are nationalist social democrat..Not marxist..As you dont know being a marxist was a reason for going jail for more than 10 years before 1985 in Turkiye. Anyway I couldn't call as a friend the son of my father's killer. i didn kill anyone, i am sure from this.And i am not more responsible than any other people for this upsetting event..if you see me as an enemy,you will lose.i wont see anyone as enemy,that i dont know him/her completly.. What you propose with your anatolian republic is the same thing (turan). i said that it wont be based on any religion or nation..As they say,MY FRIEND, "Prejudice cannot see the things that are because it is always looking for things that aren't" Edited September 6, 2005 by Essence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kars Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 You’ve made your point clear and I think everybody understands where you’re heading. But let me ask you a question, Mr. Bruderschaft: do you also spread your progressive thoughts and views in Greek forums? If you do (based on your enthusiasm, I assume you do), please give me a link – it’ll be my pleasure to participate in your discussions there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voter Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 is mustafa Kemal a bolshevik?Dont say this to any historion or a guy that has info about this,because they will laugh at you.Firstly he is a Turkish nationalist.And he is also a liberal.His policies were for improving Private Sector.And he said as " Communism must be destroyed,where it is seen." And you still call him as A Bolshevik?in Turkiye socialist voters are only about %10-20..And these votes are divided to many parties.And you call all Turks are marxists..this is foolishness. And Mustafa Kemal's Party are nationalist social democrat..Not marxist..As you dont know being a marxist was a reason for going jail for more than 10 years before 1985 in Turkiye. Which Historians? Turkish Historians? Who are ready to write everything that goverment and politicians want and not what the reality is? Are you sure, that even you knows your history and you are not an turkified armenian like a lot of people in turkey? IN SEARCH FOR ISLAMISED ARMENIAN ORPHANS According to a BBC message published in Armenian Mirror Spectator weekly, a Turkish documentary filmmaker Berke Bas left for his birthplace of Ordu at the Black Sea to look for Armenian orphans to shoot a documentary about them. Speaking to her relatives there, she found out that her parents once adopted at least 5 Armenian children. No one has so far taken up the story of Armenian children spared by the Armenian Genocide and converted into Islam. Discussions of the Armenian Genocide issue incited by Turkey's furious efforts to join the European Union were apparently the cause for removing the taboo from these issues. "I'm sure it will be difficult. People are unwilling to respond to my initiative and ask why I dig the past", Bas confessed, noting that many Turkish families refuse that they once had Armenians in their families. "But we know that there were many such families to the extent that the Ottoman authorities issued a secret order to punish all those saving Armenian children by hiding them in their families", Prof. Selim Deringil of Bosphorus University of Istanbul assures. "Those Islamised Christians fear to speak about their past. If a Turk says that his parents were Armenians, he will be labeled "gyavur" (unfaithful) and classified as an outcast", editor of Akos newspaper Hrant Dink said during the talk with Bas. By Hakob Tsulikian What I could suggest you about understanding mustafa kemal is to try to find a book from the Politolog, Dozent and Leader of the "Free Universy" Fikret Baskaya "Paradigmanin Iflasi" (The brake of Paradigms). The guy were arrested after 2 weeks, when he have published his book in April 1991. Possible, you will need to look undergroundly... It is a book from seldom point of view from Politologs, who have tried to find out who really were the Mustafa Kemal - "Atatruk" and how he became a leader of Turkey... Sure ataturk was not a bolshevik, what I tried to explain, that he made everything to get back a parts of osman empire, for which he agreed with bolshevik russia to to participate in worldwide expansion of bolshevik revolution, because of scaring from russian expansion. Just thy to find out when and why turkisch flag got a red color... On April, 26th, 1920, in three days after opening Great National Assembly of Turkey, Mustafa Kemal on behalf of the new government has addressed to the Soviet government a request for an establishment of diplomatic relations and for rendering Turkey a help. " We assume liability to connect all our work and all our military operations to the Russian bolsheviks who are having for an object struggle against the imperialistic governments and clearing of all oppreseds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Essence Posted September 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 you are not an turkified armenian like a lot of people in turkey? it doesnt matter being armenian or turk.As i said before,as i am an internationalist i am Turk,Armenian ,Kurd,greek,German,Chinise,African... But let me ask you a question, Mr. Bruderschaft: do you also spread your progressive thoughts and views in Greek forums? If you do (based on your enthusiasm, I assume you do), please give me a link – it’ll be my pleasure to participate in your discussions there. http://www.greek-forum.com/forum/showthrea...946#post1611946 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kars Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 But let me ask you a question, Mr. Bruderschaft: do you also spread your progressive thoughts and views in Greek forums? If you do (based on your enthusiasm, I assume you do), please give me a link – it’ll be my pleasure to participate in your discussions there. http://www.greek-forum.com/forum/showthrea...946#post1611946 ← Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anoush Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 (edited) imperialism?Nope..i will call it as Internationalism..i dont want to found a Islam,Turkish,Armenian nation.I want to found An Internationalist Socialist state,do u understand? Being Crushed Nations of The World,Unite!! i dont wanna see any more hate.. i saw enough.. Oh,there is an expection..i have an armenian girlfriend.But stop,for you armenian can love only armenian,right?This is bullshit and racism..i love her,and she loves me.it is not being armenian or turkish..i love either turkish and armenian nations..if you are stucked in your nationalist and Diaspora's pressurestic ideology,it is your problem and lose.. If that so-called "female" is with you, a turk, she is NOT Armenian. I love how you think you're on a higher moral ground calling yourself an "internationalist." Being an "internationalist" is furthering Genocide, because you seek to destroy differences in people, the things that make them unique and special Of course, that's good for people like you because you think you elevate yourselff which you do, but only slightly. There is nothing wrong with NATIONALISM, it is merely SELF PRESERVATION. So stop your lies, you are only making your crime worse and you sink lower, you are on NO high ground. Why do you turks love infesting Armenian sites? "we don't want hate" "forgive and forget" That's what ALL criminals say, they want their crimes forgotten. Edited September 24, 2005 by anoush Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Անի0199 Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 No need to scream so loud. Obviously no forgiveness without recognition of Genocide and apologies from Turk gov. (even that they are not directly responsible for all what happened) But Pease is still possible. Pease simply means not to be in a war. We have no war presently with Turkey, so we do have a peace. One way or the other, you can not change history and there is no were to run. Once Turkish gov. will recognise committed crimes against humanity, then perhaps I could look on a Turk and say: I will never forget what happened, and nor my children will, but since you admit and apologise, you are forgiven. No Armenian will forget what happened, and I do agree that peace and recognition are the only two things that we need. Nontheles there is a place to run, for turks its future, with less evidence and witnesis. The only thing that us Armenians will have is the memory of our fathers and bottomles rage. This goes to show, that its is better to go to drastic measures(which may include war) now, than later. As for the "brotherhood of Armenians and turks", such thing is impossible. DO NOT ASK FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN PEACE, AND NEUTRAL STATE BETWEEN THE TWO OF US(even after your recognition) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrP Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Essence, I wish you could understand the pain every Armenian feels just discussing this question. Todays Turkey inherited everything from privious empire lands, welth, and they have to take responsibilty for their crime too. The crime that commited to gain everything today's Turkey has. If enybody tries to conceal and protect his ancestors' crime, he/she caries the same responsilbilty for that crime. You have to accept the truth, the cruel crime against Armenian nation, and condemn your ancestors, todays goverment who continue the denial. Do it and clean your and your children's hands from the blood. Only after your nation accepts the genocide and appologize for it to Armenians, then we can talk about peace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bkandari Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Man, I'm going to Turkey this summer and would like to meet up with some Istanbul Armenians, can anyone give me emails or MSN screen names? My email is [email protected]. I'm doing a project on Armenian's in Turkey man, good stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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