"А 24 апреля навстречу нам бежит"

[Spezzatura]

If the resolution passes Congress and the US recognizes the so-called genocide, then the whole so-called genocide enterprise becomes an international business. Relying on the fact that the US government recognizes the so-called genocide, a US state or federal court or an international authority such as an International Criminal Court (ICC) prosecutor could take the issue to The Hague to prosecute the late Ottoman government for the alleged genocide and war crimes. Similarly, the proponents of the so-called genocide would try to convince one or more of the UN member states to take the issue to the International Court of Justice against Turkey. The ICC cannot rule for any reparations to be given to the Armenians because the ICC does not have jurisdiction over Turkey, as Turkey is not a signatory to the Rome Statute, which founded the ICC. However, the mere existence of the ICC prosecution would bring, the Armenian diaspora thinks, satisfactory damage to Turkey's image. No need to mention that such an outcome would materialize, if ever, only after several decades throughout which lucrative lobbying opportunities would emerge, and Turkey would be forced to a series of concessions to the Armenians -- and not necessarily only to the Armenians.

остальное тут

[zizou]

  Spezzatura said:

If the resolution passes Congress and the US recognizes the so-called genocide, then the whole so-called genocide enterprise becomes an international business. Relying on the fact that the US government recognizes the so-called genocide, a US state or federal court or an international authority such as an International Criminal Court (ICC) prosecutor could take the issue to The Hague to prosecute the late Ottoman government for the alleged genocide and war crimes. Similarly, the proponents of the so-called genocide would try to convince one or more of the UN member states to take the issue to the International Court of Justice against Turkey. The ICC cannot rule for any reparations to be given to the Armenians because the ICC does not have jurisdiction over Turkey, as Turkey is not a signatory to the Rome Statute, which founded the ICC. However, the mere existence of the ICC prosecution would bring, the Armenian diaspora thinks, satisfactory damage to Turkey's image. No need to mention that such an outcome would materialize, if ever, only after several decades throughout which lucrative lobbying opportunities would emerge, and Turkey would be forced to a series of concessions to the Armenians -- and not necessarily only to the Armenians.

остальное тут

could you speak armenienne? ou write en armenienne ? russe bien venue aussi parlez vous en français.. traduisez stp

merci en evence

[Zinvor]

раза

  zizou said:

could you speak armenienne? ou write en armenienne ? russe bien venue aussi parlez vous en français.. traduisez stp

merci en evence

О!Се драбье мсье.......Mio parla italiano.nona parle de franci's

-Однако написанное это лишь повтор и набор ФРАЗ последних 20-23 лет..................Хоть пишb на армянском хоть на французском,всё равно как говорят гадалки:И останешься ты при своих интересах и при бубновом короле.

-Аммен тари ардэн соворютюна дарэл вор менк МЕЦ МЕЦ сксумен хосал байц верчум ирар hангстацнуменк вор мер hогинел hангстана.....................типа:Ара дэ крупни хагха гнум ев мер масты чер эс ангам...........итак 94 раза

[Spezzatura]

Turkish trip intensifies dilemma for Obama

Obama, planning trip to Turkey, faces dilemma on World War I-era killings of Armenians

DESMOND BUTLER

Turkey has become so pivotal to U.S. goals in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East that President Barack Obama included it on his first overseas tour. But relations between the countries could be at risk unless Obama is willing to break a campaign promise to describe as "genocide" the killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks almost a century ago.

Such a declaration would infuriate Turkey, which could complicate U.S. military operations in the region by withholding cooperation.

This is not an obscure historical debate that Obama can avoid easily.

It will be on the mind of government officials, media and the public when Obama arrives in Turkey on April 5.

Just weeks later, Obama must decide how to deal with the issue in a statement to mark the annual Armenian remembrance day, April 24.

Also, a resolution will be introduced soon in the House of Representatives that describes the killings as genocide. The House almost passed a similar resolution two years ago, but congressional leaders did not bring it up for a vote after intense pressure from then-President George W. Bush and top members of his administration.

The Obama administration has not said what they will do on either the statement or the resolution. The State Department said it is considering the issue and the White House declined to comment directly.

"At this moment, our focus is on how, moving forward, the U.S. can help Turkey and Armenia work together to come to terms with the past," said Mike Hammer, a spokesman at the White House's National Security Council.

The emphasis dovetails with an argument that the Turkish government has been making: A U.S. statement on genocide could scuttle current diplomatic attempts at rapprochement between Muslim Turkey and Christian Armenia. The distrustful neighbors have no diplomatic ties, and their border has been closed since 1993 because of a Turkish protest of Armenia's occupation of land claimed by Azerbaijan.

In September, Turkish President Abdullah Gul became the first Turkish leader to visit Armenia, where he and Armenian President Serge Sarkisian watched their countries' football teams play a World Cup qualifying match. The Armenian government appears to be interested in further talks.

Armenian-American groups and supporters in Congress are focused on passing a genocide resolution and argue that it should not undermine diplomatic efforts.

Historians estimate that up to 1.5 million Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks around World War I, an event widely viewed by scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century. Turkey denies that the deaths constituted genocide, however, contending the toll has been inflated, and the casualties were victims of civil war and unrest.

Previous presidents, including George W. Bush and Bill Clinton avoided the word, even after committing in their campaigns to use it as president. Armenian groups are pointing to Obama's more extensive and unequivocal statements on the issue.

"The Armenian genocide is not an allegation, a personal opinion, or a point of view, but rather a widely documented fact supported by an overwhelming body of historical evidence," Obama said in a January 2008 statement on his campaign Web site. "America deserves a leader who speaks truthfully about the Armenian genocide and responds forcefully to all genocides. I intend to be that president."

Other Obama administration officials, including his secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, made similar comments about the killings before joining the administration and have yet to comment since.

Obama's trip inevitably will focus attention on the dispute.

"The Obama administration was in a very difficult position before the trip was announced," said Bulent Aliriza, director of the Center for Strategic and International Studies' Turkey research program. "With this trip, the expectations have been raised on the Turkish side that he will avoid use of the word genocide, and meanwhile, he will almost certainly see increased pressure from the Armenian lobby prior to the trip."

Obama could influence the congressional leadership on whether to allow a new resolution to proceed. Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, chief sponsor of a draft resolution now being circulated, said the administration has not discouraged him.

While a congressional resolution would not reflect the administration's policy, Turkey threatened serious reprisals when the last resolution was considered.

Schiff said he expects Obama to maintain his support.

"We are working to persuade the administration that the president needs to follow through with the commitment that he made, and we are hopeful and optimistic that he will," the lawmaker said.

It is not clear whether the resolution has adequate support in Congress, where arguments about the security implications of the U.S.-Turkish relationship have resonated.

Democratic Rep. Robert Wexler, a chairman of the Congressional Turkey caucus, said he is confident that lawmakers will consider concerns about U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and "a historic dispute between Turkey and Armenia that if resolved, could benefit the quality of life of tens of millions in that region."

Consideration of the resolution in 2007 came at a time when U.S.-Turkish relations were under strain because of the U.S. invasion of Iraq and other issues.

In a more cordial atmosphere, Washington and Ankara are now consulting on the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Turkey has said it is ready to serve as an exit route. The Incirlik air base in Turkey has been used for transfer of U.S. troops and equipment to Iraq and Afghanistan. Turkey also could be a useful mediator with U.S. antagonists such as Iran and Syria.

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[Spezzatura]

Вот он дружбан турков - Робик Уэсклер.

Непонятно какой ерундой столько лет страдают флоридские армяне.

[Spezzatura]

  zizou said:

<br />could you speak armenienne? ou write en armenienne ? russe bien venue aussi parlez vous en français.. traduisez stp<br />merci en evence <img src="http://forum.hayastan.com/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> <br /><br /><br /><br />

BABEL FISH is your friend

[Zinvor]

  Spezzatura said:

Turkish trip intensifies dilemma for Obama

Obama, planning trip to Turkey, faces dilemma on World War I-era killings of Armenians

DESMOND BUTLER

Turkey has become so pivotal to U.S. goals in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East that President Barack Obama included it on his first overseas tour. But relations between the countries could be at risk unless Obama is willing to break a campaign promise to describe as "genocide" the killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks almost a century ago.

Such a declaration would infuriate Turkey, which could complicate U.S. military operations in the region by withholding cooperation.

This is not an obscure historical debate that Obama can avoid easily.

It will be on the mind of government officials, media and the public when Obama arrives in Turkey on April 5.

Just weeks later, Obama must decide how to deal with the issue in a statement to mark the annual Armenian remembrance day, April 24.

Also, a resolution will be introduced soon in the House of Representatives that describes the killings as genocide. The House almost passed a similar resolution two years ago, but congressional leaders did not bring it up for a vote after intense pressure from then-President George W. Bush and top members of his administration.

The Obama administration has not said what they will do on either the statement or the resolution. The State Department said it is considering the issue and the White House declined to comment directly.

"At this moment, our focus is on how, moving forward, the U.S. can help Turkey and Armenia work together to come to terms with the past," said Mike Hammer, a spokesman at the White House's National Security Council.

The emphasis dovetails with an argument that the Turkish government has been making: A U.S. statement on genocide could scuttle current diplomatic attempts at rapprochement between Muslim Turkey and Christian Armenia. The distrustful neighbors have no diplomatic ties, and their border has been closed since 1993 because of a Turkish protest of Armenia's occupation of land claimed by Azerbaijan.

In September, Turkish President Abdullah Gul became the first Turkish leader to visit Armenia, where he and Armenian President Serge Sarkisian watched their countries' football teams play a World Cup qualifying match. The Armenian government appears to be interested in further talks.

Armenian-American groups and supporters in Congress are focused on passing a genocide resolution and argue that it should not undermine diplomatic efforts.

Historians estimate that up to 1.5 million Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks around World War I, an event widely viewed by scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century. Turkey denies that the deaths constituted genocide, however, contending the toll has been inflated, and the casualties were victims of civil war and unrest.

Previous presidents, including George W. Bush and Bill Clinton avoided the word, even after committing in their campaigns to use it as president. Armenian groups are pointing to Obama's more extensive and unequivocal statements on the issue.

"The Armenian genocide is not an allegation, a personal opinion, or a point of view, but rather a widely documented fact supported by an overwhelming body of historical evidence," Obama said in a January 2008 statement on his campaign Web site. "America deserves a leader who speaks truthfully about the Armenian genocide and responds forcefully to all genocides. I intend to be that president."

Other Obama administration officials, including his secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, made similar comments about the killings before joining the administration and have yet to comment since.

Obama's trip inevitably will focus attention on the dispute.

"The Obama administration was in a very difficult position before the trip was announced," said Bulent Aliriza, director of the Center for Strategic and International Studies' Turkey research program. "With this trip, the expectations have been raised on the Turkish side that he will avoid use of the word genocide, and meanwhile, he will almost certainly see increased pressure from the Armenian lobby prior to the trip."

Obama could influence the congressional leadership on whether to allow a new resolution to proceed. Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, chief sponsor of a draft resolution now being circulated, said the administration has not discouraged him.

While a congressional resolution would not reflect the administration's policy, Turkey threatened serious reprisals when the last resolution was considered.

Schiff said he expects Obama to maintain his support.

"We are working to persuade the administration that the president needs to follow through with the commitment that he made, and we are hopeful and optimistic that he will," the lawmaker said.

It is not clear whether the resolution has adequate support in Congress, where arguments about the security implications of the U.S.-Turkish relationship have resonated.

Democratic Rep. Robert Wexler, a chairman of the Congressional Turkey caucus, said he is confident that lawmakers will consider concerns about U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and "a historic dispute between Turkey and Armenia that if resolved, could benefit the quality of life of tens of millions in that region."

Consideration of the resolution in 2007 came at a time when U.S.-Turkish relations were under strain because of the U.S. invasion of Iraq and other issues.

In a more cordial atmosphere, Washington and Ankara are now consulting on the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Turkey has said it is ready to serve as an exit route. The Incirlik air base in Turkey has been used for transfer of U.S. troops and equipment to Iraq and Afghanistan. Turkey also could be a useful mediator with U.S. antagonists such as Iran and Syria.

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Ну будем считать что я знаю латиницу...............из всего выше нацаранного это я выбрал как основу и резюме.Ну а конкретнее как ответ к вопросу:Признает ли,произнесёт ли?

- ...........

[Spezzatura]

Кое кто утверждает что:

Амеры через Турцию не пойдут

Амеры Турцию обойдут

  Harut Sassounian said:

It appears that some U.S. military officials have already concluded that they cannot place the fate of American soldiers in the hands of capricious Turkish leaders. U.S. troops are expected to be evacuated from Iraq through neighboring Jordan and Kuwait, which have never put any conditions nor made any demands on the U.S. government! Given the attractiveness of the withdrawal route through these two friendly Arab countries, the American military may completely ignore the Turkish transit option. The traditional Turkish practice of making excessive demands may have finally backfired.

The Associated Press (AP) released a report last week, disclosing that U.S. troops will "shift" to the South (Kuwaiti border) and "exit" through the desert, meaning Jordan. The AP quoted Terry Moores, deputy assistant chief of staff for logistics for Marine Corps Central Command, as stating: "The Marines have already tested exit routes through Jordan with plans for a full-scale exodus" in 2010.

остальное тут

[zizou]

  Zinvor said:

раза О!Се драбье мсье.......Mio parla italiano.nona parle de franci's

-Однако написанное это лишь повтор и набор ФРАЗ последних 20-23 лет..................Хоть пишb на армянском хоть на французском,всё равно как говорят гадалки:И останешься ты при своих интересах и при бубновом короле.

-Аммен тари ардэн соворютюна дарэл вор менк МЕЦ МЕЦ сксумен хосал байц верчум ирар hангстацнуменк вор мер hогинел hангстана.....................типа:Ара дэ крупни хагха гнум ев мер масты чер эс ангам...........итак 94 раза

lsi ara ay turqstanski frontic paxac u paxacner

geroi nividimogo fronta

et dzer probobushken erevi OIAHOIM E anglerena chrte ha araa?

[Zinvor]

  zizou said:

lsi ara ay turqstanski frontic paxac u paxacner

geroi nividimogo fronta

et dzer probobushken erevi OIAHOIM E anglerena chrte ha araa?

...........................вочхари серунд надо писать IDAHO! Edited March 15, 2009 by Zinvor

[zizou]

  Zinvor said:

...........................вочхари серунд надо писать IDAHO!

de vor etqano djogei amen eshi het chei xosa

amota ara aj bomzh baret miat havaqi

[Usta_Valod]

  zizou said:

de vor etqano djogei amen eshi het chei xosa

amota ara aj bomzh baret miat havaqi

Zizou, de hima menakovd takits vonts es durs galu?

[Asatryan]

  Zinvor said:

-Аммен тари ардэн соворютюна дарэл вор менк МЕЦ МЕЦ сксумен хосал байц верчум ирар hангстацнуменк вор мер hогинел hангстана.....................типа:Ара дэ крупни хагха гнум ев мер масты чер эс ангам...........итак 94 раза

Ну не совсем так!

Xотя ты сам отлично знаешь... за последний десять лет много чего поменялся a до этого когда ты жил по соседству рядом с памятником тогда не ты не я "не думали" об этом (o признание ) с каждым годом туркам всё труднее даётся уговаривать и пойти на невыгодные уступки тем кто готов признать геноцид .

Ахпер зизуин хи эс джхайнацнум

зизун мер пес qо hавесы чуни э

ми qич акуратни !!!

тхен нервайнанума

[Zinvor]

  Asatryan said:

Ну не совсем так!

Xотя ты сам отлично знаешь... за последний десять лет много чего поменялся a до этого когда ты жил по соседству рядом с памятником тогда не ты не я "не думали" об этом (o признание ) с каждым годом туркам всё труднее даётся уговаривать и пойти на невыгодные уступки тем кто готов признать геноцид .

Ахпер зизуин хи эс джхайнацнум

зизун мер пес qо hавесы чуни э

ми qич акуратни !!!

тхен нервайнанума

Ай цавт танем ес воч ми депкум дзер арнелу митк ч унеи!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-ете эткан дабана тох аси!

-Кароге им отар лезу ват иманалы индз хамар хайтарак банэ?ЧЕ!ес чем аманчум айтпес баниц ев аммен анкам хндрумем таркманутюнете карели э.

-hа дэ лав ми покр катаков греци у инча кароха плорнеры кшкур ынкав, манавад ете ушадир карта ВОЧМИ ват бан эл чи гтни!?Лезунел иран чи паум...............эээээээээээээээээээээ инч асем!

Edited March 16, 2009 by Zinvor

[Zinvor]

  zizou said:

de vor etqano djogei amen eshi het chei xosa

amota ara aj bomzh baret miat havaqi

Бабот гиhяем эт вонц тесар вор бомжем?Эт вор тариц имацар вор ес кез анпатвеци камел терагнhатеци?амот кез!

-Инчовес тарбервум нранциц воронк канчумеин ЭрмянисЯн ольмялисян?

-ВОБЩЕМ спасибо !

[SamvelT]

  Zinvor said:

Бабот гиhяем эт вонц тесар вор бомжем?Эт вор тариц имацар вор ес кез анпатвеци камел терагнhатеци?амот кез!

-Инчовес тарбервум нранциц воронк канчумеин ЭрмянисЯн ольмялисян?

-ВОБЩЕМ спасибо !

Это что здесь происходит , Зинвор ? Что , наехал он на нас ?

[Zinvor]

  SamvelT said:

Это что здесь происходит , Зинвор ? Что , наехал он на нас ?

Да нет не наехал!Просто странный человек этот zizou.Я конечно может перегнул ,хотя именно с ним старался не сталкиваться или юморить,он знаешь ли с бригады придерживающейся ПРАВИЛА,что все КАРАБАХЦЫ и БАКИНЦЫ ВЫБЛЯДЫШИ!может я ошибаюсь но именно это привело к нашим с ним таким отношениям ещё до1 марта...............Эээ ладно я сам повод дал! Я прошу у него прощенья как у чистого и не осквернённого армянина и впредь буду знать "паруйра"форума в лицо!

[SamvelT]

  Zinvor said:

Да нет не наехал!Просто странный человек этот zizou.Я конечно может перегнул ,хотя именно с ним старался не сталкиваться или юморить,он знаешь ли с бригады придерживающейся ПРАВИЛА,что все КАРАБАХЦЫ и БАКИНЦЫ ВЫБЛЯДЫШИ!может я ошибаюсь но именно это привело к нашим с ним таким отношениям ещё до1 марта...............Эээ ладно я сам повод дал! Я прошу у него прощенья как у чистого и не осквернённого армянина и впредь буду знать "паруйра"форума в лицо!

Ну так думать нехорошо ... Он что это серъёзно так считает ?

Наверное всё-таки , у него был нехороший день , вчера ... Надеюсь , что сегодня он думает по другому ...

Он мне казался не таким мрачным человеком , скорее шутником ... Думаю , что и сейчас он "пошутил" и скоро публично извинится , по-мужски ...

[zizou]

ZINVOR axper

posts qez cher veraberum1

2 uzumei hexinakin asei kam haeren kam russeren gri

isk du axpers mech enkar vobshm knes avel pakas

[zizou]

  Asatryan said:

Ну не совсем так!

Xотя ты сам отлично знаешь... за последний десять лет много чего поменялся a до этого когда ты жил по соседству рядом с памятником тогда не ты не я "не думали" об этом (o признание ) с каждым годом туркам всё труднее даётся уговаривать и пойти на невыгодные уступки тем кто готов признать геноцид .

Ахпер зизуин хи эс джхайнацнум

зизун мер пес qо hавесы чуни э

ми qич акуратни !!!

тхен нервайнанума

aper virual'ni padezhki hamar merci

[Zinvor]

  zizou said:

ZINVOR axper

posts qez cher veraberum1

2 uzumei hexinakin asei kam haeren kam russeren gri

isk du axpers mech enkar vobshm knes avel pakas

Дааааа! Загнал ты меня в тупик! К НЕРЕС ИНДЗ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!АХПЕР!

Эт верчи 20-25 оры ес сртанц шат негвацем.Дэ лав ес паху пахи мечем байц им 80% барекамнеры hаястанумен.....................