Mona Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 ..Небо и земля не обладают человеколюбием и предоставляют всем существам возможность жить собственной жизнью. Совершенномудрый не обладает человеколюбием и предоставляет народу возможность жить собственной жизнью..Лао ЦзыА если взять частный случай, к примеру, явно видишь, что человек себя губит, но при этом уверен, что он на правильном пути...Надо ли помогать человеку против его воли? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ptuchik Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 А если взять частный случай, к примеру, явно видишь, что человек себя губит, но при этом уверен, что он на правильном пути...Надо ли помогать человеку против его воли?Надо с этим человеком, долго и тактично обсуждать его состаяние так, чтоб он сам почувствовал, что ты хочешь ему добра и что твой совет и есть правильный путь для него. А если он этого не хочет понять, то нельзя грубо и против его воли помагать... ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atos Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 Ne nado pomogat, inche esli chto -to budet ne tak to otvetstvennim za eto budete vi a ne on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hayk Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 Помогать вряд ли, а вот попробовать "раскрыть глаза" стоит.К тому же многое зависит от конкретного человека. Некоторые люди очень противостоят вторжению в их жизнь, и будут продолжать делать все тоже да еще с большим усердием, а некоторые наоборот податливы и из них можно лепить все что угодно, как из воска.Кстати, а ты уверена что он себя губит? В любом случае, не стоит забывать, что благими намерениями вымощена дорога в ад. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arpi Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 Ne nado pomogat, inche esli chto -to budet ne tak to otvetstvennim za eto budete vi a ne on chto za inertnost.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atos Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 chto za inertnost.... NE INERTnost arpi jan , a to chto vremya pokazalo chto slabaki i neudachniki, kotorie obichno idut ne pravilnim putem chasto i zaxodyat na etot put lyubyat svalivat vse na drigix , a v chastnosti na tex kto xochet pomich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oops! Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 NE INERTnost arpi jan , a to chto vremya pokazalo chto slabaki i neudachniki, kotorie obichno idut ne pravilnim putem chasto i zaxodyat na etot put lyubyat svalivat vse na drigix , a v chastnosti na tex kto xochet pomichxmmmmmmmmmmmm ;-) no poprobovat' ya dumau ne pomeshalo bi ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atos Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 xmmmmmmmmmmmm ;-) no poprobovat' ya dumau ne pomeshalo bi ;-)oops jan metod probi i oshibki uzhe vzyal svoe:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oops! Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 oops jan metod probi i oshibki uzhe vzyal svoe:)"nadezhda umiraet poslednei " , "bez truda ne vilovish i ribki iz pruda " .. itd itp... ;-) pomnish che ? nu ili po krainei mere slishal .. :notify: nu vot ya etogo priderzhivaus .. zachem ruki opuskat'.. eto vo pervih a vo vtorih .. konechno ochen napirat tozhe ne stoit ,, u kazhdogo iz nas svoya golova na plechah ... :sarcasm: ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atos Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 "nadezhda umiraet poslednei " , "bez truda ne vilovish i ribki iz pruda " .. itd itp... ;-) pomnish che ? nu ili po krainei mere slishal .. :notify: nu vot ya etogo priderzhivaus .. zachem ruki opuskat'.. eto vo pervih a vo vtorih .. konechno ochen napirat tozhe ne stoit ,, u kazhdogo iz nas svoya golova na plechah ... :sarcasm: ;-)Nu znesh oops jan eto legko govorit:) ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oops! Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 Nu znesh oops jan eto legko govorit:)well sure,, u gotta try hard to get what u want .. its that simple ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atos Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 well sure,, u gotta try hard to get what u want .. its that simple ;-) well thepoint is taht difficulti just be the one who doesnt wbat to be blamed for his good doings:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oops! Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 well thepoint is taht difficulti just be the one who doesnt wbat to be blamed for his good doings:) well if u know that its not your fault why would u care Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWood Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 In my experience, most people, even those that appear to be responsive to advice and guidance, usually will not follow that advice/guidance.Human's just aren't that bright. In fact, I'm pretty convinced that we might be the stupidest organisms on that planet. With most people, the only way they learn is to ROYALLY SCREW UP! Certain individuals have to screw up multiple times before they learn. And some people never learn...It's like the child...you tell him, "don't touch the stove, it's hot!" And what does the child do? He touches the stove...gets burned...and never touches a hot stove again. Same with everything...you can tell someone that they are about to do something stupid or tell someone they're leading their life astray, but they won't listen...they have to mess up...and hopefully learn.That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to steer people in the right direction. Your words can leave an impact that might catalyse the learning process...so that maybe the person won't mess up as badly or as much as he/she otherwise would have.I don't know...I have no idea what I'm talking about...[Hey, does my post even slightly pertain to what this thread is about? It takes me years to translate these threads, and I'm pretty certain that I'm mangling everything! :laugh: Man, I wish I hadn't found this message board...because of the language barrier, everytime I come to this board, I'm online for a minimum of an hour! I swear, I used to not be such a loser!! ] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atos Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 well if u know that its not your fault why would u care well its just the case of some sense of guilt in subconcious:) ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oops! Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 well its just the case of some sense of guilt in subconcious:)nu togda mne ne chego sovetovat' .. ;-) u menya takogo senca ne bivaet esli ya znau chto eto ne moya vina :confused: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atos Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 OK ya privedu odin grubij primer,prikin ti ottgvorila cheloveka kotorij slaboxaraktern ot samoubijstva, a on vmesto togo chob tebya blagodarit siplet na tebya erundu vsyakuyu:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oops! Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 OK ya privedu odin grubij primer,prikin ti ottgvorila cheloveka kotorij slaboxaraktern ot samoubijstva, a on vmesto togo chob tebya blagodarit siplet na tebya erundu vsyakuyu:)1) kak horosho ya znau cheloveka ?2) how much do i care about the person 3) a chto s taboi takoe sluchalos ? ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atos Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 1) kak horosho ya znau cheloveka ?2) how much do i care about the person 3) a chto s taboi takoe sluchalos ? ;-)1.nikak, prosto iz cheloveko lyubiya soveshaesh takoj postupok2.u r smth like Mat tereza3. nichego ne sluchilos, prosto ya lyubllyu nablyudat i ponyal chto v chastnosti v takix sluchjax chelovek bolee neblagodaren ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oops! Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 1.nikak, prosto iz cheloveko lyubiya soveshaesh takoj postupoketo ne vozmozhno - terpetb ne mogy ludei (just kidding).u r smth like Mat terezaimpossible blagotvaritelnostu ne zanimaus /.. lol 3. nichego ne sluchilos, prosto ya lyubllyu nablyudat i ponyal chto v chastnosti v takix sluchjax chelovek bolee neblagodaren a che bolshe nechem zanyaca da .. :laugh: sorry sorry i esho raz sorry .. opyat ya vse na xaxa perevozhu .. vinovata znau .. nu koroche .. i just will ignore the person.. esli on(a) ne otstanet kuplu dlya nego(nee) pistolet i pust delaet chto hochet vaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii zachem menya muchat .,. malo u menya problem .. esho Bogom dlya kogo to bit ostalos .. ;-) :sarcasm: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atos Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 nu koroche .. i just will ignore the person.. esli on(a) ne otstanet kuplu dlya nego(nee) pistolet i pust delaet chto hochet vaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii zachem menya muchat .,. malo u menya problem .. esho Bogom dlya kogo to bit ostalos .. ;-) :sarcasm:nu vot a ya shto govoryu:) xa xa eto xorosho, ne izvinyasua, ne zachem ;-) A v opredelnie mometi nablyudat (ne vuajsterovat, a smotret na lyudej) eto pochti prekrasno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oops! Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 A v opredelnie mometi nablyudat (ne vuajsterovat, a smotret na lyudej) eto pochti prekrasnone znau na shet etogo Ato jan ,, ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atos Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 ne znau na shet etogo Ato jan ,, ;-) just try it u ll like it:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oops! Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 just try it u ll like it:)well actually ne lublu svoi nos v chuzhie dela suvat'da k tomy zhe vremeni net Ato jan .. busyyyyyyyyy busyyyyy kak nikogda .. ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mona Posted October 30, 2002 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Ptuchik, да, обычно так в жизни и стараются поступать люди, но к сожалению, бывают и крайности.Hayk, да нет, речь не обо мне, просто такой вопрос возник в связи с высказыванием Лао Цзы. Он хоть и мудр исключительно , все же, думаю, его строки больше применимы к идеальному миру, а не к нашему обыденному. Ибо я согласна с тем, как ты сказал, что люди - разные: одни не терпят вторжения в свою жизнь, а другие - наоборот- надеются на то, что их вовремя спасут.oops!&Atos, было интересно наблюдать за вашей дискуссией но еще интересней, к какому выводу она вас привела? ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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