Ayya

Kruto, klass

Proshloe eto nachalo potom budet konez, kotoriy stanet proshlim potomu-chto budet novoe nachalo. A vospominaniya eto takie tonenkie volosiki na golove i oni postepenno vipadayut so vremenem, a u nekotorih prosto otbelivayutsa. Proshloe eto zernishko iz kotorogo viros cvetochek

Eto pravda, v Karabahe u armyan bilo poverie kogda umirali deti, to chto-bi otvesti zlogo duha, i obmanut ego, to nazivali persidskimi imenami. A eshe interesno, kogda hoteli napugat detey to pochemu-to govorili--Kekel pridet i zaberet, i Azrail pridet...Izvinite Moya mama rasskazivala...voobshe moi predki iz Kena Tahglar, Hzapert, Gadrut. Kstati moego pradeda imya Moses. Eto tolko ya v Baku rodilas...

Kakoy tam otdih, na menya stereotipi vliyayut i uze sidyat tut v moem podsoznanii i ni kak ih ne vigonish, ya im i kofe i chay i daze banku vareniya otkrila--net nikuda! Vse perehozu na hleb i vodu. A banku vareniya doem, vse ravno uze otkrila... :lol: Nu vot teper i pesnyu vspomnila, seychas tochno spoyu... U prirodi net plohoy pogodi, kazdaya pogoda blagodat', dozd' i sneg--lyuboe vremya goda nado blagodarno prinimat, nado blagodarno prinimat... Thank you! Eto vam ot menya

elli, spasibo za cvetochek, no chitat vnimatelnee mne uze neohota i u menya, znaete, moloko na plete ubezalo :lol: Ya rada chto vi znakomi s Levi-Stauss. Kogda vstretites, to ot menya privet. A vot Sherry Ortner, privet ne nado, ya s ney kategoricheski ne soglasna. Ya ved znaete lyubov propoveduyu, poetomu sporit ne lyublyu. A vesti diskussiyu, to mne svoih v universitete hvataet... Yasno, chto ne vse ponimayut chto muzchina i zenshina raznie biologicheski...XX i Xy chromosomes...Nu da ladno " nauchno dokazannie socialnie mehanizmi" na samom dele sdelali vse i diktuyut vse. Spasibo chto razyasnili, a to ya dumala, chto eto priroda tak sdelala naprimer, chto zenshina 9 mesyacev beremenna (vremya na zemle o kotorom ya pisala, inogda 2--15 detey), muzchina ni odnoy sekundi, (vozmozno potomu chto priroda ne doveryaet muzchinam takoe "tonkoe" delo ) V predvkushenii teplih slov v svoy adress, kak uze bilo do etogo, o roli otca dlya rebenka, kotoroe ochevidno i ne tolko pri zachatii no i posle, prihoditsa eto pisat. (functializm ne interesuyet?) Eurika! Znachit zenskoe schastie eto mehanismi i nikakih revolyuciy Ya to greshnim delom dumala chto eto lyubov! Chestno govorya i seychas tak dumayu, Izvinite chto tak mnogo pishu eto mne moi mehanismi diktuyut. :lol:

V kazdoy culture razniye socialnie normi i gendernaya socializaciya. Predstavleniya o schaste nezakladivayutsa genderno. Dlya bolnogo schastie vizdorovet ili umeret no tolko ne stradat, esli konechno ne mazahist. Dlya soldata vizit na fronte, pravda eto vse korotkoye schastie, a esli na vsyu zizn, to kogda chelovek osoznayot chto vse: Suyeta suyet i lovlya vetra, to chto ostaetsa? Teper o structualisme. Vi pishite: "Usvaivayutsa prezde vsego, kollectivnie, obshestvennie normi, pri etom oni stanovyatsa chastyu lichnosti(!) i podsoznatelno napravlyaut ee povedenie" Vi daete psyhoanalys govorite o podsoznatelnosti i vliyaniya na nee kulturi. Universalnaya STRUCTURA chelovecheskogo mishleniya. Dalshe vi pishete o rolyah, kotorie privivayut muzchinam i zhenshinam, o normah i td. Zadacha structuralisma eto nahodit na osnove kulturi, tradiciy, podsoznatelnuyu strukturnuyu osnovu ili princip. Esli vse chto nauchilsya chelovek stalo podsoznatelnim, kak vi napisali, to togda on budet prodolzat uchit svoih detey tomu ze podsoznatelno i znachit kultura ego toje podsoznatelna. Ya tak ne schitayu. Dlya menya lichnost ne menee vliyayt na obshestvo, chem obshestvo na lichnost. Izvinite no postmodernisma sdes ya ne vizu., razve chto protest protiv "ugnetennogo" soznaniya. Feminism prisutstvuyet toje. A voobhse mne vse ravno...

Znachenie otca i muza ochen vazno v sem'e--ya ob etom i govoryu. Zenshina mojet pozertvovat kar'eroy radi detey, tak pochemu muz ne mozet? Esli muz schitaet chto sem'ya ne glavnoe, to on ruki ne nedeznie, tak ze esli i zena. Da zhenshina oh kak schastliva, kogda deti ee virastut zdorovie i vse u nih budet prekrasno, v tom chisle i horoshiy otec. U menya stereotipov net. Iz togo chto vi napisali ya uvidela structuralism. Postmodernism govorite? Izvinite a kak moget gender vosproizvodit postoyanno novuyu praktiku? Eto chto zenshina perestanet bit zhenshinoy i stanet kem? menya ne interesuyet to v kakih ramkah nahoditsa zhenshina socialno, potomu chto ramki tak i tak ne identichni i menyayutsa so vremenem i kulturoy, no zenshina vsegda nahoditsa v ramkah svoego tela, kotoroye vsegda ostaetsa neizmenno i budet diktovat chto delat i kak zit. Ona mojet bit korolevoy, amazonkoy, geyshey, presidentom, sportsmenkoy, komsomolkoy, no--u neyo vse biologicheskie processi ostanutsa temi ze chto i vsegda eto nauchno dokazano. Ona mojet ne imet detey, ne vihodit zamuz, bit monashkoy ili imet mnogo muzey--eto vsegda sushestvovalo v mire. Kakaya ge "novaya praktika gendera" ?Ideologicheskaya? O kakih alternativnih formah zizni rech idet? Eto chto ideya dictaturi proletariata? kto skazal chto identichnost "zastivshaya"? Biologiya v principe da, no identichnost? Vot eto da! Kto eto voobshe napisal? Ponyatno chto postmodernism antinauchniy, no do takoy stepeni?

A ya vot dumayu o pritchi iz biblii, o tom kak nanimalis rabotniki na rabotu za odnu i tu ze platu, no v raznoye vremya dnya. Chto kasaetsa striptizersh, to ya ne broshu kamen. Beda v tom chto tam gde est spros est i predlozenie. Chto-bi bit schastlivimi nado lyubit, togda muz i zena sami razberutsa chto horosho, a chto ploho Voslyubi bliznego svoego kak samogo sebya!

Podobnaya teoria v anthropologii nazivaetsa structuralism. Moey kritiki eta idea ne viderzivaet :lol: Problemi doma --problemi na rabote... Chto plohogo v horoshey sem'e i chto horoshego v plohoy? Mne kazetsa, chto ne mnogie sposobni imet horoshuyu sem'yu i razochaarovavshis, ili ne pitayas voobshe, ubegayut v "kar'eru" ili rabotu. Ogromnih sil trebuyet lyubov i ogromnie sili dayot tem kto lyubit

Ya soglasna s tem mneniem chto striptizclub delo, mygko govorya, ne iz luchshih. I mne toze zjalko, tolko vseh (ptichku toje) Nu a esli serezno, to teh kto hodit v stripclub zjalko ne menshe. No po professii nelza opredelit uroven intellecta, potomu chto mnogoe zavisit ot obstoyatelstv. Chelovek vsegda schastliv s horoshey sem'ey. Rebenok schastliv s roditelyami i roditeli drug s drugom i td. Zabery ili lishi cheloveka sem'i ili ne day Bog lyubvi, to sdelaesh ego neschastnim na vsyu zizn, a lishi raboti, to novuyu naydet (poka est sili). Esli net sem'i , to horosho imet druzey nastoyashih, za kotorih i zizn polozit ne zalko(eto redkost) Mozno sluzit Bogu--eto vse ravno chto, vse kak bolshaya semya: bratya i sestri...eto tolko silnie lyudi mogut V lyubom sluchae, bez lyubvi schastiya ne bivaet...

Ixvinite, no u menya komputer pochemu-to v treh exemplyarah napechatal, prishlos udalit.

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Pochemu-to slova iz pesni Rozenbauma vspomnilis: Odinokiy volk-eto kruto, No eto tak sinok tyazjelo. Ti vladeesh mirom kak budto, No ne stoish v nem nichego... I eshe vspomnila Cleopatru i Marka Antonia... A mojet vsetaki delo v Lyubvi?

Woodrow Wilson opasalsya togo, chto armyane budut polnostyu unichtojeni... iz vistupleniya: 6 september, 1919 An Address in Convention Hall in Kansas City "...Then there was another thing we wanted to do, my fellow citizens, that is done in this document, We wanted to see that helpless peoples were nowhere in the world put at the mercy of unscrupulous enemies and masters. There is one pitiful example which is in the hearts of all of us. I mean the example of Armenia. There was a Christian people, helpless, at the mercy of the Turkish government which thought it the service of God to destroy them. And at this moment, my fellow citizens, it is an open quastion whether the Armenian people will not , while we sit here and debate, be absolutely destroyed. When I think of words piled upon words, of debate following debate, when these unspeakable things that cannot be handled until the debate is over are happening, in these pitiful parts of the world, I wonder that men do not wake up to the moral responsibility of what they are doing. Great peoples are driven out upon a desert, where there is no food and can be none, and they are driven to die, and then men, women, and children thrown into a common grave, so imperfectly covered up that here and there is a pitiful arm stretched out to heaven, and there is no pity in the world. When shall we wake up to the moral responsibility of this great occasion?"

Ne vsegda tak budet... utro smenit noch, a noch smenit utro...

Schastie zhenchini v lyubvi Ot lyubvi-deti Za detey zizn otdat schastie. Schastie nelzya izmerit vremenem, no mozno ispitat

SD, USA

Armenia vsegda bila, est i budet--Armenia. A istoriya s "ariycami" banalnaya. Vse delo v tom chto nekotorim nedorazvitim stranam ochen nuzen bil kontrol nad "shelkovim putem" i oni izobreli ideyu ariystva. Poslednie 150 let, nemczi osobenno ryano vistupali za etu ideyu, a anglichane toje ne hoteli otstavat, voobshe zapadu rasism bil ne chuzd ne tak davno... Chto kasaetsa Mithraisma to mnogo chto sohranilos ot paganizma u mnogih narodov eto verno, odnako Armyane 1700 let christiane, a Iranci net i esli-bi da kabi ne sushestvuyet i Iranci ne smogli prinyat Christianstvo, poetomu prinyali musulmanstvo. Na protyazenii tisychiletya Armyane kroviyu zashishali svoye pravo na christianskoe veroispovedanie na svoey zemle, no ih bili i gnali te ze iranci-ariici-zoroastriizi, za vse--za to chto armyane, christiane... Ved ideya ariistva rodilas u nemcev dlya togo chtobi pripisat sebya k "velikoy rase", t.e. k drevney kulture i tem samim opravdat svoye prisutstvie v regione, potom istrebit teh kto mog dokazat obratnoe a imenno semitov i armyan. Eti idei bili ochen blizki turkam i nemzam i oni horosho spelis. Chto iz etogo vishlo izvestno. Strochki iz knigi "The blackest page of modern History. Armenian Events of 1915" by Herbert Adams Gibbons, Ph.D. (1916) "...In one large city of Asiatik Turkey, an American missionary, a man whom I know personally and whose word can be trusted implicitly, saw a German officer directing the artillery fire of the Turks upon the Armenian civilian population. In two other places consuls defended the Ottoman policy both of massacre and of deportation....Armenians are "in the way" of the schemes for the Germanization of Anatolia.It was not for the Bagdad Railway alone, bad also for all that the Bagdad Railroad implied, that Kaiser Wilhelm II, fraternized with Abdul Hamid, after the massacres of Armenians in 1895 and 1896." Vot pechatayu iz knigi 1890g izdaniya "Seven Great monarchies", by Rawlinson Rech idet o 2286 bc. "At this early period in world's history, the differences between the great families of human speech were but very partially developed. Language was all together in a agglutinate, rather than in an inflected, state. The intricacies of Arian-even the lesser intricacies of Semitic grammar-had not been invented. Languages differed one from enother chiefly in their vocabularies. What we observe with respect to the Sussianians or Elamites is, that while their vocabulary is mainly Turanian, it also contains numerous words which were continued in the later Arian speech. For instance, Nakhunta is beyand the doubt the Anahita of the Persians and the Anaitis of the Greeks...." " the Arian, Turanian, and even the Semitic tribes appear to have been in the nomadic condition, when the Cushite settlers in Lower Babylonia betook themselves to agriculture..." Vse proizoshlo ot Chaldeev. Odnim slovom esli bi ne tovarish Stalin, to nikto bi ne rodilsa. Vse eto sozdavalos posle i v period socialnogo Darwinisma. Kak vidno iz napisannogo ariici i indoeuropeici ne odno i to je! Togda ne bilo sovremennoy tehnologii kak C14, radiocarbon dating, i archaeology ne bilo normalnoy i anthropology. Bila politika i rasizm...Udivlyaet tolko to chto i segodnya lyudi povtoraut starie oshibki...Net takoy nacii ili naroda kak ariici. Ne nado unizat velikiy narod. A igra slov s Ar prosto koshm--arrrrrr.

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Ponyatno chto znamenitie i velikie raznie ponyatia. Ne sotvori sebe kumira eto verno. kazdiy deystvitelno na svoem meste. Ya prosto priderzivayus togo mneniya, chto neizvestno kakuyu sluzbu sosluzit narodu tot ili inoy chelovek. Narekaci uze sosluzil (v narodnoy pamyati i seychas sluzit). Konechno Haratian vsego lish obichniy akter, menee izvestniy chem Mkrtichian, Allegrova peviza (mojet ne vsemirno izvestnaya, no na vsem bivshem SSSR), Aram Hachaturyan byl kompositor, a Mikoyan, a Stepan Shaumyan intelligenciya i proletarii...Vse oni na raznih urovnyah i v raznih oblastyah deyatelnosti i daze voobshe ne sosedi! No oni vse armyane. A zachem ih "skrivat"? Tolko u teh kto eshe ziv priimushestvo--est poka vremya i shance chto-to sdelat'...Eto ze ne Lenin, kotoriy vsegda zivee vseh zivih! :lol: Chestno govorya, za vsyu svoyu soznatelniyu zizn' ya imen etih deyateley kulturi stolko mnogo raz kak segodnya ne sklonyala.

Izvinite, no ne nado oskorblyat armyanskih zenshin. Uverenna, chto mnogie smeshannie braki (tak i armyan -muzchin,) bili osvyashenni cerkoviyu. Ya mogu gorditsa prostim armyanskim sapoznikom ne menee chem velikim zarem(za chastuyu predatelem) ili historikom, ili poetom... Ne zabivayte chto ne tolko istoricheskiy Narekaci "zashishaet Armeniyu vo vremya bedi", a ee prostiye lyudi.(vo vse vremena) Te kto na vidu u vseh (vsego mira) segodnya(artisti, kak Cher, Haratian, Allegrova i drugie) toje armyane. Voydut li oni v istoriyu kak Narekaci? Navernoye net, no oni vse zivie a te davno umerli...cherez zivih mir slishet ob armyanah...chto slishit eto drugaya tema... Armyane prekrasni tem chto armyane ne tolko vchera, no i segodnya, ne tolko "istorcheskiye"(ili do-istoricheskie) no i vse kto budet posle nas! Vi daje nepredstavlyaete kak trudno govorit s temi kto nikogda ne slishal ob Armenii. Im potom govorish--"Cher?!" oni kivayut golovoy...skazi "Narekaci", nachinaetsa stolbnyak...obivatel ne ucheniy i ne professor da i ne hochet bit uchenim! Eto ne znachit chto kto-to gorditsa Cher,kak edinstvennoy i tolko nastoyashey armyankoy. eto znachit chto zachastuyu mir o drugih ne slishal...Kto vinovat i chto delat eto drugaya tema... prosto kazdiy na svoem meste.

v Amerike ya, no gorod sdes' ne bolshoy, hotya armyan uze sobralos prilichno (100+) i grekov mnogo. Cerkvi net.

Mi lyudi i govorim kak lyudi, daje esli ne s lyudmi.Ya ne budu rugat' nikogo ni cherta ni samogo diavola i daje Satanu. Mne eto ne nuzno. I ih prestuplenia svedeteli protiv nih. Metat' biser pered svinyami toje nikto ne sobiraetsa.

A esli net ni tolko armyanskoy, no i pravoslavnoy cerkvi blizkoy po duhu, to chto delat'? est katolicheskiye, i polnim polno protestantskih i vsyakih drugih. Vse nazivayut sebya hristianskimi. Menya tuda palkoy ne zagonish. Vot i brodyat ovci bez pastirya...

Chto krisha poehala? Skazali je chto vse yasno. Voprosi eshe est'?