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То что Аль Каида нам помогал, я ващето впервые слышу, но как говорится радует. Благодарью их за помошь, отдельное благодарность товаришу Ладену через ваш форум. Толкь скажите насколько я знаю у нас в отличие от вас нету терр. организации. Вы сами не токо имеете свою терр.организацию (асала) да и еще тесно связаны с Ливанскими радикалами террористами. Кстати они тоже воевали в Гарабахе..Ребята так что не гоните здесь разные дешевые статьи. Можем дискуссировать более интересные веши.
Janissary, what a name eh.
You must be very proud of your slanty eyed mongol ancestors that would steal the babies of White European children and raise some as soldiers and send the rest to harems. Sickness.
ASALA never targetted innocent civillians. Not once. Only members of the fascist military turkish occupant regime. Not to mention that this organization has been disbanded over a decade ago. Lebanese eh? Yeah Lebanese ARMENIANS, ignoramus azver.
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AZERBAIJAN AND INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST NETWORKS
"Azerbaijan ... served as a logistic hub for international mujahidin with ties to terrorist groups, some of whom supported the Chechen insurgency in Russia"
(The US Department of State: Patterns of Global Terrorism 1999)
Based on the text by the Research & Information Office of the Armenian Assembly of America (aaainc.org): "Azerbaijan And Islamic Terrorism," September 2001.
Picture: Osama bin Laden, the
world's No. 1 terrorist suspect.
Azerbaijani authorities cooperated with Osama bin Laden by providing his terrorists — operating in Chechnya — logistical support, intelligence, and shelter. In turn, bin Laden promised the Baku authorities to aid Azerbaijan if it launches another ethnic-cleansing campaign against the Armenian population of Nagorno Karabakh.
Picture: Map of Terrorist Installations in Azerbaijan.
Click on picture to enlarge.
The information below refers to the main stages of the development of Islamist terrorism in Azerbaijan in the past decade.
According to the Associated Press, the Congressional Research Services (CRS, 9/10/2001) issued a report noting that individuals and groups affiliated with the international terrorist Osama Bin Laden and his AI Qaeda organization used Azerbaijan as one of the bases in its elaborate terrorist network. Some reports suggest that various radical Islamist groups had operated in Azerbaijan even before its 1991 independence. However, the real increase in their presence took place after the 1993 military coup, when the government of Heydar Aliyev approved a large-scale deployment of mujahedin fighters from Afghanistan and other countries to join in the fighting against the Armenians of Nagorno Karabakh .
Azerbaijan has used the Karabakh conflict, characterizing it as a religious war, to cultivate ties in the radical elements of the Islamic world. These ties, including overtures to violence-prone Jihad-oriented organizations, have been aimed at diplomatically isolating Armenia and raising financial and military assistance for a new military campaign against Nagorno Karabakh. Since 1998, in the wake of the U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the Azerbaijani government came under pressure from Washington to clamp down on radical Islamist groups that operated in Azerbaijan. However, as recent reports show, radical Islamist groups are entrenched in Azerbaijan deeply.
In the late 1980s - early 1990s, Azerbaijan experienced a wave of "Islamic Revival" that led the way to the creation of many indigenous Islamist groups espousing violent ideology and establishment of relations with similar organizations abroad. The most overt expressions of this sentiment by Azeris were made in 1990 and 1991, when the residents of districts bordering Iran destroyed most of the frontier installations to fraternize with the Iran-based Turkophone Muslims, just as several newly-established Azeri Islamist groups offered to provide volunteers to fight in the Gulf War on the side of Saddam Hussein. A member of AI Qaeda, Jamal Ahmed el-Fadl, arrested by the FBI for his role in the 1998 embassy bombings, claimed his organization became active in Azerbaijan as early as 1989 (Trans-Caspian Project 10/3/00, Ekho 9/1/01).
In the summer of 1993, Azerbaijan’s President Heydar Aliyev hired over 1,000 Islamist mercenaries in the war against Nagorno Karabakh Armenians. They were flown on civilian aircraft from Afghanistan to Azerbaijan. The mercenaries, including Arab veterans of the Afghan war (1979-89), took an active role in the Karabakh conflict (Moscow News 9/13/00). One of Bin Laden’s associate claimed that Bin Laden himself led mujahedin in at least two battles in Nagorno Karabakh. (Associated Press 11/14/99).
" ... The government of Azerbaijani dictator Heydar Aliyev is treading a thin line between international terrorists, whom it cultivated to fight its nationalist wars, and the international community, which can no longer ignore this reality ..."
Following the armistice that took hold in Nagorno Karabakh in May 1994, most of the mujahedin left Azerbaijan to fight in other hot spots, such as the North Caucasus and Balkans. Others, however, remained to establish what was soon described Yossef Bodansky, Director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare of the US House of Representatives, as "the new hub" for Islamist radicals that involved a network of training camps, mosques, charitable organizations and underground cells. Ibrahim Eidarous, later arrested in Europe by the FBI for his role in the 1998 embassy bombings, headed the Azerbaijani branch of AI Qaeda between 1995 and 1997. In 1997, radical Islamist groups with branches in Azerbaijan reportedly pledged their support for President Heydar Aliyev against Armenians, in exchange for a safe haven in Azerbaijan (Strategic Policy 10/99; Ekho 9/1/01).
In August 1998, the Azerbaijani branch of the "Islamic Jihad" organization, which by then had merged with Osama Bin Laden's AI Qaeda, reportedly coordinated the bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people and wounded nearly 4,600. The FBI was able to trace about 60 phone calls made from the satellite phone used by Bin Laden to his associates in Baku and from them to operatives in
East Africa. The U.S. Embassy in Azerbaijan also feared an attack, but as a local radical claimed, they did not attack the Embassy so as "not to spoil their good relations in Azerbaijan" (Zerkalo 7/22/00; Bill of Indictment in U.S.A. vs. Bin Laden et. al. 4/01; Washington Post 5/3/01; Ekho 8/28/01).
Picture: Mr. Gulbuddin
Hekmatyar, Afghanistan's
notorious warlord.
From 1992-1994, Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense recruited up to 1500 Afghan mercenaries belonging to Hekmatyar's Hezb-e-Islami quasi-terrorist organization. Says The Earl of Shannon of the House of Lords of the British Parliament: " ... Hence the theoretically overwhelming might of Azerbaijan; its large population; Turkish officers in uniform commanding troops; and Mujahideen, whom I interviewed through interpreters, being paid 500 dollars per month to come to fight for the Azeris. The infinitely smaller Karabakh population threw out that overwhelming might and drew a cordon sanitaire around its country to stop it being shelled over the border ..." (Testimony before the House of Lords, UK, 17 March 1999)
Following the 1998 embassy bombings, Azerbaijan came under increased U.S. pressure to curtail radical lslamist activity on its territory. However, Azerbaijan refused to hand over suspected terrorists to the U.S., so as not to "earn the ire of Islamist fundamentalists," extraditing them instead to their native countries. One of the extradited terrorism suspects, Ahmad Salam Mabrouk, who at the time headed the local branch of AI Qaeda, was detained while trying to acquire chemical and biological weapons in Azerbaijan. (Aviation Week & Space Technology 10/12/98; Agence France Presse 3/18/99; London's Sunday Times 7/18/99; Zerkalo 7/22/00; Ekho 8/29/01).
Azerbaijan, nevertheless, continues being an attractive destination for the international terrorist networks, particularly those based in Afghanistan. In late 2000, head of the UNHCR mission in Azerbaijan Didier Laye noted that most asylum-seekers that arrive in Azerbaijan come from Afghanistan. Azerbaijan is an odd destination for these arrivals, as Azerbaijan and Afghanistan have no direct borders, are not ethnically related. In the Azeri capital, mosques influenced by Islamist radicals attract a large following. That following reportedly includes even some senior members of President Aliyev's staff. Most recently, the local media speculated that should Bin Laden be forced to flee Afghanistan, he may appear in Azerbaijan. Over the years, Bin Laden's sympathizers have moved out of Azerbaijan's capital, Baku, to establish camps in rural areas of the country, particularly in the remote mountainous areas in the largely Sunni Muslim north of the country (Strategic Policy 10/99; Turan 11/21100; Ekho 5/2/01).
Picture: Col. Alparslan Turkes of
Turkey, the late leader of "Grey
Wolves" international terrorist
organization.
Besides hosting radical Islamist groups, Azerbaijan cultivates neo-fascist organizations which preach the idea of racial supremacy of the Turkophone nations. One of them is the Turkey-headquartered "Grey Wolves" militia.
In 1991, Azerbaijan became the first and only post-Socialist country where a neo-fascist, Iskander "Furher" Hamidov, held a post in the government, as the Minister of the Interior. Hamidov's "Grey Wolves" gangs are responsible for many war crimes perpetrated in Nagorno Karabakh.
In the words of one Islamic scholar, Azerbaijan is part of the "Global Intifada" that also includes Palestine, the Balkans and Kashmir. As recently as a few weeks ago, sources in the Azerbaijani Ministry of National Security, cited by local media, confirmed that radical organizations, such as Bin Laden's AI Qaeda, continued to be active in Azerbaijan. Two weeks ago, Egyptian citizen Mahmoud Yaballah was arrested for his connection to the U.S. Embassy bombings, while trying to enter Canada after flying in from Azerbaijan (Ekho 9/1/01).
Azerbaijan is an authoritarian state, where President and former KGB General Heydar Aliyev controls all spheres of life. The Aliyev government, which came to power by means of a military coup, has repeatedly banned political parties and media outlets, stolen elections and thrown thousands of its political opponents in jail. It is highly unlikely that groups such as Bin Laden's AI Qaeda could operate in Azerbaijan without at least some consent from President Aliyev. The Aliyev government is thus treading a thin line between international terrorists, whom it cultivated to fight its wars, and the international community, which can no longer ignore this reality.
Sources:
In addition to reports in the above-noted and well-recognized sources, such as AFP, AP, Aviation Week & Space Technology, The Times and Washington Post, this issue brief is based on the following additional sources.
Ekho and Zerkalo are leading Russian-language daily newspapers in Azerbaijan which can be found at www.zerkalo-daily.com, and www.zerkalo.az. In August-September 2001, Ekho featured a series of articles on ties between Bin Laden and Azerbaijan written by its Deputy Editor Nair Aliyev.
Moscow News is a leading English-language liberal weekly newspaper published in Russia and can be found at www.mn.ru. In September 2000, it featured an article on connections between Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Afghanistan and the Islamist terrorist network, written by its Azerbaijan correspondent Sanobar Shermatova.
Strategic Policy (formerly Defense & Foreign Affairs) is a monthly international affairs report published in Alexandria, VA, and found at http://www.strateqicstudies.orq/dfa.htm. Its October 1999 issue featured an extensive article by Yossef Bodansky, Director of the U.S. Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare.
TransCaspian Project is an online reporting and analytical service on Caspian regional affairs (found at http.//www.transcaspian.ru). Its October 3, 2000, report featured an analysis by Alexey Malashenko of the Moscow office of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
Turan is the leading news agency in Azerbaijan and can be found at http://www.turaninfo.com.
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http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N21661107.htm
21 Apr 2004 22:56:29 GMT
Canadian Parliament recognizes Armenian genocide
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(Releads with Parliament backing resolution)
By David Ljunggren
OTTAWA, April 21 (Reuters) - The Canadian Parliament on Wednesday ignored long-standing government policy and angered Turkey by formally declaring that Ottoman Turks committed genocide against Armenians in 1915.
Legislators in the House of Commons voted 153-68 to support a motion declaring the events of 90 years ago as genocide, despite a plea from Foreign Minister Bill Graham not to aggravate NATO ally Turkey.
Armenians say some 1.5 million of their people were deliberately slaughtered by Ottoman Turks between 1915 and 1923. Turkey denies the charges of genocide, saying the Armenians were among the many victims of a partisan war raging during World War One as the Ottoman Empire collapsed.
Government sources stressed there would be no change in Ottawa's official policy, which is that while the events of 1915 were a tragedy they did not constitute genocide.
But Wednesday's result was a sound defeat for the government, which had instructed cabinet members to vote "no".
Graham had also sent a letter to every Liberal legislator saying he was "deeply concerned that it (the motion) could have far-reaching negative consequences" for Turkey and the region.
"Given Turkey's extremely important position in the area in a geopolitical context which is very complicated ... my view is that Canada is best to allow historians to deal with these issues," Graham told reporters before the vote.
"We must recognize we must have good relations with our NATO colleague in Turkey... (which) is a very important NATO ally that we work with closely in many areas, including Afghanistan," he said.
Despite his efforts, no less than 75 Liberal legislators voted for the resolution. In recent years parliaments in more than a dozen countries -- including France, Russia and Switzerland -- have adopted similar motions.
Ankara has fought hard to block attempts to press for international recognition of the events as a genocide. The Turkish embassy in Ottawa warned of negative consequences if the resolution was approved.
"Certainly, relations with Canada will suffer as the result of adopting such a motion," embassy counselor Fazli Corman told Reuters, citing the example of Canadian firms seeking to sign contracts in Turkey.
Liberal legislator Sarkis Assadourian, one of the backers of the motion, dismissed what he said were warnings from the Canadian foreign ministry about the possible negative impact.
"Justice delayed is justice denied. How long do people have to wait for the injustices of the past to be redressed?" said Assadourian, who says his parents survived the events of 1915.
"Why do we have to be selective in our memories? If you're going to do it for one (genocide), why not do it for the others?" he told Reuters before the vote.
France's parliament backed the Armenian case in 2001, prompting Turkey to freeze official visits to France and temporarily block French companies from entering lucrative defense contracts.
The U.S. Congress dropped a similar resolution in 2000 after the White House warned it would harm U.S. security interests in the Middle East.
(Additional reporting by Randall Palmer in Ottawa)
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God bless Quebec, Bloc Quebecois introduced this motion!!!!!!
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...822/?hub=Canada
MPs recognize Armenian massacre as genocide
Canadian Press
OTTAWA — Canada became one of the few countries to formally recognize the genocide of Armenian Turks during the First World War in a strongly worded motion adopted 153-68 in the House of Commons on Wednesday.
Government members were discouraged from voting for the opposition motion, which is sure to anger a Turkish government that has never recognized the massacre of 1.5 million Armenians starting in 1915.
Following a charged debate at their weekly closed-door caucus meeting, Liberal backbenchers voted massively in favour of the Bloc Quebecois motion while the party's cabinet contingent rejected it.
Prime Minister Paul Martin was absent during the politically sensitive vote but Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham defended the government's opposition to the motion.
The Turkish government has warned that recognizing the genocide could have economic consequences and Graham said he wanted to maintain good relations with Turkey.
"Turkey is an important NATO ally in a region where it is a Muslim country with a moderate government," he said.
"What we seek to do in our foreign policy is to encourage the forward dimension, we're forward-looking. We'd like our Armenian friends and our Turkish friends to work together to put these issues in the past."
The Turkish government rejects the charge of genocide as unfounded and says that while 600,000 Armenians died, 2.5 million Muslims perished in a period of civil unrest.
The motion read: "That this House acknowledges the Armenian genocide of 1915 and condemns this act as a crime against humanity."
Liberal Hedy Fry supported the motion but said it's important to note the atrocities were carried out under the Ottoman empire, which has faded into history and was long ago replaced by a modern Turkish state.
"I think we need to recognize the past," she said.
"I think it doesn't mean we've broken ties with the current regime in Turkey. They are our colleagues, they are our NATO allies. They are a moderate, Muslim government and I think we need to work with them.
Recognizing what happened in the Ottoman empire shouldn't affect Canada's diplomatic relations with Turkey, she said.
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Illegal immigration of Armenians doesn't help matters either.
Also by 2050 Russians will be a minority in Moscow.
Things like these create desperate morons such as these 'skinheads'. It's the governments fault anyhow.
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Ay shat hetakrkir gaghapar a. Im karcikov ete aydpisi mi ghekavarutyun liner nerka jamanakin vor nerkayacner bolor ճugherը spyurki apa astichanabar hnaravor kliner Hayutyunը miatsnel.
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Petq e steghtsel spyurqi nakhararutyun .Da mets qayl klini im kartsiqov...
Aysinkn?
Spyurki mej ovkeren mtnum? Bolor Hayer@ voronk ROA'um chen?
Spyurk@ himnakanum bajanvac eh partizanakan hamaynkneri mijev voronk ir hertin bajanvac en manr munr mshakujtayin (based on geographic extraction/heritage) hamaynkneri.
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Как говорят, никогда в политике (истории) не надо говорить "никогда". Если лет 20 назад был бы такой форум и кто нибудь говорил бы, что "Через 20 лет бельгийские самолеты будут патрулировать небо Эстонской ССР, в Киргизской и Узбекской ССР садятся американские самолеты, американцы заменят СССР в Афганистане, аргентинцы с завистью будут смотреть на развитие Чили, армии Украинской ССР и США будут сотрудничать в Ираке и т.д." - то про такого форумчанина подумали бы, что он или фантазер-утопист, или под кайфом.
Так что если 30 лет по новостям услышите, что на дежурство заступили совместные армяно-турецко-азербайджано-русско-американо-китайские взводы южной группировки "Организации Охраны Человечества" (вместо ООН) - не удивляйтесь.
В мире стало очень много обиженных людей и народов, которые отстали от благ цивилизаций, но в отличии от старых времен мир стал "маленьким" из-за развития коммуникаций и они "очень рядом". Скоро им доступно будет любое оружие, и тогда ...
Не дай бог, если ось по имени шиитский Ирак, Курдистан, "послевоенный Иран", Афганистан, Пакистан и некоторые арабские страны начнут считать себя полностью "униженными" и "опущенными" в этом мире. Их уже никто и ничто не остановит - ни Гибральтарский пролив, ни НАТО, ни ДКБ, тем более британская миграционая полиция
По сравнению с проблемами с независимым Курдистаном границы с Азербайджаном нам покажутся местом, где можно шашлыки жарить и отдыхать с азерами, и рассказывать истории о старах добрых временах начала 21 века И еще новости будут заканчиваться прогнозом уровня радиактивного фона на разных частях планеты. Типа "Сегодня выход на улицу только на 30 минут после 12 часов..."
Hehe.
Very nice, factual and funny analysis.
Kurds never had a country and never will, let them go and live in Iran where they came from.
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An'hnarin ban, tarber tesaki Hayer kan. Hayaystancin mi ban a, Polsahay@ lriv urish ban urish culturayov ev mtatselakerpov... Senc mi tasnyak -stanci ka.
Nayac inch nkati unes bayc eh. Rassayakan miutyun? Kaghakakan miutyun? Social miutsyun? Lezvakan miutyun?
Miak variant@ na eh vor mek@ zorov brni bolorin stipi mi ughutyan vra.
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What is she doing in israel?
Is she a convert or did you have juden grandparents?
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Bari or aha++.
Shat hetakrkir u khelok hartser en drank.
-ouni Parskakan eh, vor@ ete chem sxalvum Arshakuninernen berel Hayq. -ian hin Hayqum goyutyun chi unetsel @ndhanrapes, shat aveli nor aeh.
Hetakrkir klini imanal inchpisinnen eghel makur Haykakan anunner@ minchev Parskakan chnshum@. Inds tvuma aveli mot Hunakan armatneri.
-yan, -ian is very common, which is means "of"., as in son of or of jewelers.
Most Armenian liturgical (in fact all) must change their surnames to ACI, such as Catholicos Kirakos Lambronaci. Armenian suffixes have a broad range, only in that many Armenians changed it to "IAN" after the diaspora to identify one another.
If you read more about Armenian (esp when Armenia was much larger) you'll see than IAN will not come up that often.
For example Georgian/Abkhazian -adze comes from traditional Grabar Armenian "atsi/aci," which simply means of. Examples: Vaneci, a man from Van, Batumeci, a man from Batumi.
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Mamikon,
Dlya chego ti razmestil etu xerniu sdes' ? Tebe xochetisa podlit' benzinu v armiano-gruzinskie otmoshenia ???? Mne chestno neponiatno...
Potomu, now stfu.
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I bet you didn't tikin xer.
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я знаком с ливанцами и полностю с вами согласен, говоря про арабов я оговорился имея ввиду палестинцев мусульман, ни как не ливан,сирию,египет,....и кроме того простые палестинцы тоже нивчём не виноваты, просто для не большой кучки их руководителей,война,и глупый свой собственный народ,это очень прибыльный бизнес,и никто с этим не хочет бороться,а когда это делают евреи все их дружно осуждают,а им на это начехать,вот это то мне и нравится.
I agree.
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you think you are only degenerate in response?
Speak English, no comprende your gibberish.
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ув. phrygian я всего лиш высказал своё субективное мнение.зная лично не мало арабов я понял что они не могут нас не любить потому что они в масе своей о нас просто ничего не знают. при этом встречал оченьне мало евреев не плохо разбераюшихся в армянском вопросе, но официальная позиция государства не может не раздражать.
а что касается арабов хрестян , то они абсолютно нормально относятся к уничтожению терористов,типа рантиси.
Arabs don't know enough about Armenians?
They know more than any other ethnic group.
It was the Syrians and the Lebanese who accepted scores of Armenians forced to settle in the Middle East. They allowed us to speak our language, build our Churches and schools and advance our culture. We owe our gratitude to these people for centuries to come.
During the Lebanese civil war Armenian militias and Greeks sided with Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims against Maronites and ther masters from the south, why do you think that was?
I have no love lost for these terrorist scum, as far as i'm concerned it's in their best interest to attack soldiers and illegal settlers only if they ever want to liberate their lands.
However, it doesn't change the fact that aside from the anti-Armenian position of the "israeli" government Armenians are harassed by regular jews on a daily bases in contrast to the freedom Armenians have in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt etc.
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hey dickhead, you start to irritate me
I thought you would drop your nonsense, yet u continue to ridicule yourself.
Here is what I said: "Cubaciner@ tsnel en Kapablanka ev Fidel...isk nranc kanayk",
and from this statement alone you made a conclusion that I am a woman. Instead of simply acknowledging the innocent aberration or a mistaken impression, you keep on making an ass of yourself.
Cockface, you quoted my post and said "kanayk" as if implying i'm a woman. Degenerate in reponse I called you tikin. What is there so complicated that you cannot get through your thick empty head?
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Palestinians have never done anything to Armenians.
There are many Palestinian Christians.
In fact Arabs have been a lot more kind to Armenians than the jewish invaders there ever been. Unlike the jews the Arabs don't spit on our priests, rip apart posters about the Genocide and publicly and officially deny the Armenian Genocide while arming turks and azeris.
Why should we condemn Hamas?
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Bednii mamikon,xorosho poishi i ne luchshe viskazivania naidesh
naschot armian.no eto ne znachit cto armiane ili gruzini propavshi narod.
Mne stidno za tebia,i bolno za armeniu esli takix kak ti mnogo.
P.S. esli xoches videt istinuiu istoriu , mogu dat polezni sovet po PM.
Tufta eto dlja tvoevo sotechestvennika СИМОН.
Tebe bilo stidna za nevo?
Ili te ne videl?
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are u really? i live 30 min from Ann Arbor.
My response wasn't entirely correct because of my poor Russian
I used to live in Ann Arbor but I just realized the question posed was where were you born
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so, anyone who says "kanayk" is a woman??? you really crack me up with your logique my friend :lol: :lol:
once again, leave Castro to cubans: this is a question of temporal dimensions
Haha, you said "kanayk"implying that those who posted before you were "kanayk". Now you're backtracking like a rabbit with a wolf behind.
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:lol: how old are you , really... seems like u can't distinguish the sexes yet.
as to Castro, i suggest u leave it to cubans....instead of making second rate arguments
Douchebag, i'm not the one that said "kanayk".
As for castro, he's a subhuman creature along with anyone that supports him.
Помогоите признать Геноцид в Канаде
in General
Posted · Edited by Phrygian
Canada 15-i.
Drugije officialno na takom vishem urovne ne priznayut, no tolko dve strani govorjat chto takoe vobshe nebilo: Turcija i Israel.