Ottoman Armenians-Armenia

[Fadix]

This is an unscientific poll, but it could help me to have an idea, I might post this in other Armenian forums, or others could do that as well. I need a %. Please if you vote here, if you see this poll elsewhere don't vote again.

I need this, because in my calculation of those having emigrated from the Ottoman, I find 150,000 less than what the League of Nations has found(I find 250,000, they gave 400,000), and I want to have an idea of if this makes sense by calculating the ratio.

If one side of your family is from choice 3, and the other not, please specify.

I did not post this in the genocide section, because I need as much answer as possible.

Regards

[Dashnak]

Здесь большинство на английском не понимают

[Fadix]

I don't know Russian, I have used a translator to understand what you meant?

Is there a moderator that knows Russian and can translate it in russian and edit my poll? I'de really appreciate it, this is a really important poll.

[Josef Gabcik]

говорит где модераторы ваши хреновы(???), которые могли бы мое д*рьм* на русский перевести, это черт возьми не пойму почему ему чертовски важно......

Парле ву Франсе??? Ху ис э дьюти тудэй???

[Unregistered - M]

говорит где модераторы ваши хреновы(???), которые могли бы мое д*рьм* на русский перевести, это черт возьми не пойму почему ему чертовски важно......

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Где Вы такое вычитали?

[Josef Gabcik]

Где Вы такое вычитали?     

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Вот тут...

Is there a moderator that knows Russian and can translate it in russian and edit my poll? I'de really appreciate it, this is a really important poll.

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[Unregistered - M]

Меня заинтересовали только слова "хреновы" и "мое д*рьм*" Остальное вроде-как понятно..

[Josef Gabcik]

Ах вот оно что!

Написали бы яснее....

Эти слова уважаемая Недобрая Мудрость так сказать результат некой интерпритации что ли(иными словами подобие вольного перевода), на общий смысл они не влияют, а перевод в некоторой степени укрошают....

прошу прощения если своим нездоровым чувством юмора каким либо образом задел вас....

[Unregistered - M]

Ах вот оно что.

[JazzVaz]

Это - НЕнаучный опрос, но это могло помочь мне иметь предтавление об данном вопросе. Я также намерен откытьэту тему это на других армянских форумах. Так что Пожалуйста, если Вы голосуете здесь, а так-же учавствуйте в других Арм форумах, не голосует там снова.

Я нуждаюсь в этом, потому что в моем вычислении, число тех эмигрировавший из Османской Турции, на целых 150 000 меньше чем, число которое нашла Лига Наций (League of Nations)(я нахожу 250 000, они дали 400 000). И вот что я хочу собственно говоря понять, вычислит`

Уточните пожалуйста какая сторона вашых предков поподает под какой пункт. (Hоракан - Моракан коkhмиц)

Пожалуста помогите!

[JazzVaz]

My father side, were from Van. After the Genocide, they went to Persia, and then Armenia. There is no such a thing as Russian Armenina. Armenia is Armenia!

Aways was, always will be.

[Парень из...]

"Dear" turk soon you should not consider anything as we shall already return on the primordial grounds. Can count days before it will occur, if want.

P.S. Эт транслейт руи цаве танем э :lol:

[Fadix]

My father side, were from Van.  After the Genocide, they went to Persia, and then Armenia.  There is no such a thing as Russian Armenina.  Armenia is Armenia!

Aways was, always will be.

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Don't take me wrong, I called it Russian Armenia because it was the only way to separate it from what was called Ottoman Armenia.

The League of Nations list seems to have mixed refugees from the region, and I find 150,000 Armenians short, so I want to have an idea by using the ratio... and the only way to differentiating the two, is to call one "Russian Armenia."

[Celtic]

You should also, perhaps, take into account the fact that some Western (i.e. Ottoman) Armenians, after initially having settled within the borders of the modern Republic, have subsequently, within 1915-1922 period, migrated further, particularly to Georgia, Russia proper, and the Ukraine (Crimea). Also, there were refugees originally from Eastern Armenia (i.e. Russian Armenia), produced by the two wars between The Republic of Armenia and the Turkish state. These could also have contributed to the overall numbers calculated by the League of nations.

[Fadix]

You should also, perhaps, take into account the fact that some Western (i.e. Ottoman) Armenians, after initially having settled within the borders of the modern Republic, have subsequently, within 1915-1922 period, migrated further, particularly to Georgia, Russia proper, and the Ukraine (Crimea). Also, there were refugees originally from Eastern Armenia (i.e. Russian Armenia), produced by the two wars between The Republic of Armenia and the Turkish state. These could also have contributed to the overall numbers calculated by the League of nations.

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I don't think it would have played over 20,000. The league of nations figure was an educated guess, it took the refugees from Kars and Ardahan etc. as simple Armenian refugees, which was interprated as Ottoman Armenian refugees, and probably many Armenian refugees to Yerevan that came as a result of the Turkish agression of Russian Armenia. As to population movement, the only margin of error would here be the two years prior to 1922, and this is where I came to a 20,000 as figure, this is why I ignored it.

[Celtic]

There's also, of course, Shirak and Lori populations that were involved in migrations of different sorts. Joinlty with Kars, Olty, Ardahan and Surmali the figure then might have gotten just above 20.000, though it would at this point be, obviously, quite difficult to estimate.

[Fadix]

There's also, of course, Shirak and Lori populations that were involved in migrations of different sorts. Joinlty with Kars, Olty, Ardahan and Surmali the figure then might have gotten just above 20.000, though it would at this point be, obviously, quite difficult to estimate.

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Exactly, you also cite lands lost from Russian Armenia in the profit of others... but those Armenians are not Ottoman Armenians, but were added in the list of survivors.

[Phrygian]

As far as I know, other than Leninakan (Kumayri-so called Gyumri), Abaran, Amasiya and Davitashen (almost all Sasuntsees) the rest of the population of Tsarist/Persian Armenia was non-Ottoman.

[Fadix]

As far as I know, other than Leninakan (Kumayri-so called Gyumri), Abaran, Amasiya and Davitashen (almost all Sasuntsees) the rest of the population of Tsarist/Persian Armenia was non-Ottoman.

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I have posted this poll in two other forums, I just hope to have as much people as possible participating int it, to see if it will confirm what I thought.

There was many Ottoman Armenians having emigrated before 1914... but the important is from those dates to 1922.

[Armenian Genocide]

Fadix, the question should be revised, instead of Ottoman Empire it must be "Western Armenia and surrounding territores that were in the borders of the Ottoman Empire."

Also, please, use "Eastern Armenia" instead of "Russian Armenia." The term "Eastern Armenia" is much oldern and much more correct than the other one. Thanks

[Vigen]

1 вариант. Мои предки спаслись от смерти в коцне 19 века.

[Fadix]

Fadix, the question should be revised, instead of Ottoman Empire it must be "Western Armenia and surrounding territores that were in the borders of the Ottoman Empire."

Also, please, use "Eastern Armenia" instead of "Russian Armenia." The term "Eastern Armenia" is much oldern and much more correct than the other one. Thanks

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I think West and East is more subjective.

Kars could be called Western Armenia, while it is part of Russian Armenia. The term Russian here is just to clarify, nothing more.