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Ochen sovetuyu vsem posmotret etot klip, eto interview s amerikanskim patriotom. Poslushaite cheloveka i podumaite nad tem o chiom on govorit. Nadeyus chto posle etogo vi xotyabi nachniote iskat pravdu pro Ameriku, a dalee sdelav sootvetsvuyushie vivodi, ne budete bolshe svyazivat nashu stranu, Armeniyu, s etoi proklyatoi imperiyei

Turkey and Obama's Deeper Game But it was not simply a matter of domestic politics. It is becoming clear that Obama is playing a deeper game. A couple of weeks before the meetings, when it had become obvious that the Europeans were not going to bend on the issues that concerned the United States, Obama scheduled a trip to Turkey. During the EU meetings in Prague, Obama vigorously supported the Turkish application for EU membership, which several members are blocking on grounds of concerns over human rights and the role of the military in Turkey. But the real reason is that full membership would open European borders to Turkish migration, and the Europeans do not want free Turkish migration. The United States directly confronted the Europeans on this matter. During the NATO meeting, a key item on the agenda was the selection of a new alliance secretary-general. The favorite was former Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen. Turkey opposed his candidacy because of his defense on grounds of free speech of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed published in a Danish magazine. NATO operates on consensus, so any one member can block just about anything. The Turks backed off the veto, but won two key positions in NATO, including that of deputy secretary-general. So while the Germans won their way at the meetings, it was the Turks who came back with the most. Not only did they boost their standing in NATO, they got Obama to come to a vigorous defense of the Turkish application for membership in the European Union, which of course the United States does not belong to. Obama then flew to Turkey for meetings and to attend a key international meeting that will allow him to further position the United States in relation to Islam. The Russian Dimension Let's diverge to another dimension of these talks, which still concerns Turkey, but also concerns the Russians. While atmospherics after the last week's meetings might have improved, there was certainly no fundamental shift in U.S.-Russian relations. The Russians have rejected the idea of pressuring Iran over its nuclear program in return for the United States abandoning its planned ballistic missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic. The United States simultaneously downplayed the importance of a Russian route to Afghanistan. Washington said there were sufficient supplies in Afghanistan and enough security on the Pakistani route such that the Russians weren't essential for supplying Western operations in Afghanistan. At the same time, the United States reached an agreement with Ukraine for the transshipment of supplies -- a mostly symbolic gesture, but one guaranteed to infuriate the Russians at both the United States and Ukraine. Moreover, the NATO communique did not abandon the idea of Ukraine and Georgia being admitted to NATO, although the German position on unspecified delays to such membership was there as well. When Obama looks at the chessboard, the key emerging challenge remains Russia. The Germans are not going to be joining the United States in blocking Russia. Between dependence on Russia for energy supplies and little appetite for confronting a Russia that Berlin sees as no real immediate threat to Germany, the Germans are not going to address the Russian question. At the same time, the United States does not want to push the Germans toward Russia, particularly in confrontations ultimately of secondary importance and on which Germany has no give anyway. Obama is aware that the German left is viscerally anti-American, while Merkel is only pragmatically anti-American -- a small distinction, but significant enough for Washington not to press Berlin. At the same time, an extremely important event between Turkey and Armenia looks to be on the horizon. Armenians had long held Turkey responsible for the mass murder of Armenians during and after World War I, a charge the Turks have denied. The U.S. Congress for several years has threatened to pass a resolution condemning Turkish genocide against Armenians. The Turks are extraordinarily sensitive to this charge, and passage would have meant a break with the United States. Last week, they publicly began to discuss an agreement with the Armenians, including diplomatic recognition, which essentially disarms the danger from any U.S. resolution on genocide. Although an actual agreement hasn't been signed just yet, anticipation is building on all sides. The Turkish opening to Armenia has potentially significant implications for the balance of power in the Caucasus. The August 2008 Russo-Georgian war created an unstable situation in an area of vital importance to Russia. Russian troops remain deployed, and NATO has called for their withdrawal from the breakaway Georgian regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. There are Russian troops in Armenia, meaning Russia has Georgia surrounded. In addition, there is talk of an alternative natural gas pipeline network from Azerbaijan to Europe. Turkey is the key to all of this. If Ankara collaborates with Russia, Georgia's position is precarious and Azerbaijan's route to Europe is blocked. If it cooperates with the United States and also manages to reach a stable treaty with Armenia under U.S. auspices, the Russian position in the Caucasus is weakened and an alternative route for natural gas to Europe opens up, decreasing Russian leverage against Europe. From the American point of view, Europe is a lost cause since internally it cannot find a common position and its heavyweights are bound by their relationship with Russia. It cannot agree on economic policy, nor do its economic interests coincide with those of the United States, at least insofar as Germany is concerned. As far as Russia is concerned, Germany and Europe are locked in by their dependence on Russian natural gas. The U.S.-European relationship thus is torn apart not by personalities, but by fundamental economic and military realities. No amount of talking will solve that problem. The key to sustaining the U.S.-German alliance is reducing Germany's dependence on Russian natural gas and putting Russia on the defensive rather than the offensive. The key to that now is Turkey, since it is one of the only routes energy from new sources can cross to get to Europe from the Middle East, Central Asia or the Caucasus. If Turkey -- which has deep influence in the Caucasus, Central Asia, Ukraine, the Middle East and the Balkans -- is prepared to ally with the United States, Russia is on the defensive and a long-term solution to Germany's energy problem can be found. On the other hand, if Turkey decides to take a defensive position and moves to cooperate with Russia instead, Russia retains the initiative and Germany is locked into Russian-controlled energy for a generation. Therefore, having sat through fruitless meetings with the Europeans, Obama chose not to cause a pointless confrontation with a Europe that is out of options. Instead, Obama completed his trip by going to Turkey to discuss what the treaty with Armenia means and to try to convince the Turks to play for high stakes by challenging Russia in the Caucasus, rather than playing Russia's junior partner. This is why Obama's most important speech in Europe was his last one, following Turkey's emergence as a major player in NATO's political structure. In that speech, he sided with the Turks against Europe, and extracted some minor concessions from the Europeans on the process for considering Turkey's accession to the European Union. Why Turkey wants to be an EU member is not always obvious to us, but they do want membership. Obama is trying to show the Turks that he can deliver for them. He reiterated -- if not laid it on even more heavily -- all of this in his speech in Ankara. Obama laid out the U.S. position as one that recognized the tough geopolitical position Turkey is in and the leader that Turkey is becoming, and also recognized the commonalities between Washington and Ankara. This was exactly what Turkey wanted to hear. The Caucasus is far from the only area to discuss. Talks will be held about blocking Iran in Iraq, U.S. relations with Syria and Syrian talks with Israel, and Central Asia, where both countries have interests. But the most important message to the Europeans will be that Europe is where you go for photo opportunities, but Turkey is where you go to do the business of geopolitics. It is unlikely that the Germans and French will get it. Their sense of what is happening in the world is utterly Eurocentric. But the Central Europeans, on the frontier with Russia and feeling quite put out by the German position on their banks, certainly do get it. Obama gave the Europeans a pass for political reasons, and because arguing with the Europeans simply won't yield benefits. But the key to the trip is what he gets out of Turkey -- and whether in his speech to the civilizations, he can draw some of the venom out of the Islamic world by showing alignment with the largest economy among Muslim states, Turkey. By Dr G. Freedman. The CEO of Strategic Forecasting, Inc. a private intelligence agency. Monday 6 April 2009 P.S. Napik, sorry za offtop!

Louis, u menya ochen mnogo argumentov, no pered tem kak ix postavit nekotorie user-i doljni pomenyat svoi ton razgovora, (chitai moi post vishe), prosto na lichnosti perexodit ne nado, ya je etogo ne delayu. A tem kotorie polivayut griazyu drougix armyan i obzivayut ix, takim ya voobshe ne otvechayu tak kak takix ya za armyan ne schitayu, nastoyashi armyanin nikogda svoix je armyan ne budet obzivat. As simple as that. Teper naschiot tvoego posta: Rossiya eto "trup" govorish, asa vor du katakes anum - LOL ...Etot "trup" imeet samie bolshie naturalnie resursi v mire, a kogda Artur Chilingarov zabil rossiski tricolor na dno Arktiki to on uvelichil eti naturalnie resursi yeshio na raz 10. ...Etot "trup" imeet bolshe amerikanskoi valyuti chem sama Amerika, kotoraya seichas sushestvuyet za schiot kitaiskix, saudovskix i yaponskix kreditov, Kitai kak sami bolshoi kreditor pochti v bukvalnom smisle etogo slova - owns USA. ...Etot "trup" yedinstvennaya yadernaya derjava kotoraya v sostoyanii ravnoslino otvetit na amerikanski udar, to yest: vzaimounichtojenie. ...Etot "trup" eto yedinstvennoe chto derjit turkov na tsepi, a takje pridayot nam nadejdu na osvobojdeniye nashix zemel ot etix psov, a eto dlya nas samoe glavnoe iz vsex visheperechislennix.

Louis, yesli bi ti vnimatelno prochiol bi moi post, pered tem kak otvetit na nego, to ti bi uvidel chto pro bolshevikov ya napisal prakticheski toje samoe chto ti pitayeshia zdes skazat (otmecheno). Bolsheviki bili nojom v sertdse Rossii. No seichas Rossiya vozrajdayetsia.

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Yes qo het esqan jamanak normalem xosatse, che? Uremn nax yev araj, im het xosaluts tonet poxi! Exav?

Ti smotri skolko tut obijennikov na russkix i rossiyu!!! :lol: To kogda turki nas bukvalno unichtojali gde vash MOTHERFUKING Zapad bil? Huh? Gde? Vash srannii zapad sidel, smotrel i tolko inogda kak lyagushka kvakal, tipa v znak protesta, vot gde on bil! Eto v to vremya kogda russkie plechom k plechu s armaynskimi fidainami voevali s turkami! Daje yesli russkie voevali vo pervix za svoi interesi, oni vsioravno voyevali, a ne kak amerikantsi kotorie pisali pisma protesta, ili je gromkie artikli v svoix gazetax pisali ili je maksimum gumanitarnuyu pomosh iz ameriki posilali, pomosh kotoraya bila sobrana v osnovnom mestnimi armyanami ameriki! Ili je kak nemtsi uchili turok kak nas massovo ubivat nado, ili kak anglichane kotorie ne sumev pobedit turkov kak nachali im zadnitsu tselovat tak do six por ostanovitsa ne mogut... Yesli ne bilo bi jido-masonskix, kriminalnix bolshevikov, ix perevorota i grajdanskoi voini (kotoraya pomeshala okonchatelnomu porajeniyu turkov ot ruk russkix i armyan), to segodnia xotya bi chast Zapadnoi Armenia bila bi v sostave Respubliki Armeniya. I voobshe, yesli bi ne Rossiya to segodnia odin Bog tolko znayet gde bila bi Vostochnaya Armeniya (segodniashnaya Respublika Armenia i Artsakh) kotorii imenno Rossiya osvobodila ot Persii. ...Xelq havaqek!!!

Amenakarevore gites vorna, axper jan? 1. Ena vor Hayastantsin banakits petka abxadit chlni u petka tsarai. 2. Tsaraeluts heto el petka patrast lini ga artasahmanits vor krvi, yethe dra kariqe exav apagayum. Yethe hay txen et 2 bane ani, uremn inqe hayrenasera u endanrapes harganqi arjani txaya. Etqan mi ban, aper, jogumes ? ...Te dranits heto inqe tarin 1 anqam kga hayreniq, te 151 anqam - et arten kap chuni. Hamadzain ches?

aper, yes tarva kese Hayreniqum em, isk mius kese gortserov tarber yerkrnerum. Qani vor hents hima yes Hayastanum chem grelem Հայրենիքից դուրս՝ օտարություն

v predstavlenii (xot kakom to) interesov armyanskoi dispori v rossii. a vot ARF etim zanimatsia ne nado, xotya ix i nekto i ne pustit v ofitsialnie krugi tak kak GRU vovse ne zabilo o bivalix svyaziax ARF s CIA/MI6, ARF nado zanimatsia neposredstvenno s armyanskoi molodiojyu.

Ara i SAR imeyut svoyo mesto, no oni ne natsionalisti.

Prisoyedeniayas k tomu chto skazali Gorec, simple, blanuk i Spezzatura.

Menq PAHANJATERENQ vochte muratskan! …Kongresi chanachman tuxte chi vor veradartsneluya indz im tohmakan hoxere, ail zenqe. …mi VAXETSI, Zinvor!!!

Da, deistvitelno interesno, tak chto soizvolte pojaluista.

Vmesto "Нуну" ludshe predstavte vinimaniyu foruma vashi argumenti za LTP.

Amerika-Hayer jan, tasibnela lav ban. Heriqa toxnek vor et yerkuyeresani, sutxosan, lkti u anastvats azg kochetsiale (amerikatsin) dzer achqerin tarinerov toz pchi! Yev amenakarevore - heriqa toxnek et amerikatsi porniknerin vor mer surb nahatakneri hishataki yev anuni het xaghan!

Gorec jan, chestno govorya ya s bolshim sojaleniem prochital o rossiskoi deistvitelnosti. Ne xochetsia verit vo vsio eto, v ossobenosti ne xochetsia verit pro razobshionnost nashei obshini. Ne doljno bit tak, eto ochen nepravilno. Vam tam yavno ne xvatayet natsionalnoi organizatsii kak Dashnaktsutiun!!!

Vasha maska sorvana, miledi

Kogda jidi menya obviniayut v anti-semitizme, ya im govoryu chto ya protiv semitov (arabov, assiriitsev, nastoyashix yevreyev itd.) absolyutno nichego protiv ne imeyu. Ya im govoryu, ya anti-turkchi, a takje ya protiv vsemirnoi lji, arxitektorami kotoroi yavliayetes vi. Ya im govoryu, vi turkchi, vi mutanti-ostatki turkskix xazarov s peremeshannoi polskoi, ukrainskoi, anglo-saksonskoi, i odin Bog tolko znayet, chei yeshio krovyu. Ya im govoryu, kak minimum 80% vsex "yevreyev" mira voobshe ne imeyut semitskoi krovi, o kakom anti-semitizme mojet idti rech? Ya im govoryu, vot vam nastoyashie yevrei: http://www.nkusa.org/ , a vi nichto innoe kak naglie ljetsi, i samie nastoyashie rasisti pervoi masti kotorie nenavidyat vsex i vsya.

Ararat3, ya otritsayu holohoax ne tolko na forume no i v reale, t.e. v povsednevnoi jizni. Pover mne, jidam ya govoryu eto v litso, pryamim tekstom i na vsex yazikax na kotorix ya govoryu. A jidov ya ponavidel vsyakix, i russkix, i amerikanskix, i angliiskix, i izrailskix itd. Bolshinstvo iz nix, posle razgovora so mnoi, yavno nachinayut nenavidit menya, no chtolibo sdelat mne oni nikak ne mogut, xot ya i jivu v Zionist Occupied Country, ot nix ya ne kak ne zavishu, a ispugat menya podavno ne smogut, ya sam kogo ugodno ispugayu

Ya lichno nikogda etot holohoax ne priznaval.

Vo pervix, ne "Mister" Ghevond, a Hayr Ghevond, imei xot elementarnuyu kulturu obrasheniya. Vo vtorix, nikakix "knig mudrostei" ot Vahagna net i nikogda ne bilo. ...Ne muti tut vodu, mutilovshik ti masonski!

Garegin Nzhdeh nikogda negativno ne govoril pro nashu tserkov, te kto pitayetsia utverjdat obratnoe ochen gluboko zablujdayutsa, oni ne imeyut nikakogo poniatiya ne pro Nzhdeh ne pro Tseghakronutiun. Armyanski narod i Armyanskaya Apostolskaya Tserkov neotdelimi. Nasha tserkov svyashenna dlya nas, i lyuboe posyagatelstvo na neyo eto posyagatelstvo na nash narod. Yesli tak nazivayemie ariitsi ne ponimayut etogo, to nasha tserkov doljna im eto, i ochen mnogoe drougoe, obyasnit. Nado organizovat obshestvenii forum po televidiniyu, priglasit vse storoni i postavit vse tochki nad i.

Chtobi dat otpor jido-masonam, vo pervix nujno ponyat chego oni xotyat. V kratse eto mojno sformulirovat tak: unichtojenie Xristianstva rassprostraneniyem novoi, vsemirnoi religii freemasonstva. Jido-masoni vmsete s turkami ruka ob ruku snachala xoteli nas unichtojit fizicheski, a teper, tex kto utselel, oni starayutsia unichtojit moralno. Armyanam jivushim na zapade, gde oni (kak i vse lyudi) podvergayutsia massivnoi otkritoi i skritoi massonskoi propagande, v ossobenosti nado bit nacheku. Soblazni veliki: tex kto tseluyet nogi bafometu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet mogut ojidat pochti vsego chego oni xotyat (dengi, vlast, seks, itd). Ne kajdi viderjit. Ludshaya zashita eto vozvrashenie na rodinu!!!

Ne obyazatelno bit musulmanom chtobi imet Theocracy kak formu pravleniya. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy. Mi, kak xristiane so svoei unikalnoi tserkovyu toje mojem postroit obshestvo napodobii Irana. I boiyatsa izoliatsii nam nechego, mi v sostoyanii razvit paru ochen vigodnix industrii s pomoshuyu nashego soyuznika Rossii, kak naprimer nuclear technology and specialized small arms production. Kstati, russkaya pravioslavnaya tserkov so svoim novim patriarxom namerena narashivat svoyo vliyanie v rossiskom obshestve, s odobreniem kremlya samo ssoboi.