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Норайр, двухтомник Вячеслава Иванова и Тамаза Гамкрелидзе у меня есть. Я его проштудировал уже через год после оубликования. Как и Зороастризм и Зороастрийцы Мери Бойс. Но - если специалист настаивает, то я, пожалуй, непременно соглашусь.
Вопросов больше нет. Привет ей от меня. 
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saule, солнц
Лилу, я подозреваю, что она латышка или литовка - из сосланных русскими в Казахстан в 40-ом году.
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Saulite,
Paklausieties, ja jus esat latviete, es seit runaju latviski - druscin, bet ludzu - pateiciet mani ja jus esat no Latvijas. Paldies Jums.
Virabovs
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Спасибо, Накомичи. Я удовлетворен Вашим ответом.
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Kashne rushtah. При чем здесь Самскрта или Очищение? Насколько мне известно, кыпчаки мало соприкасались с иранской цивилизацией. И - тогда мне интересно знать, каким образом армянский - или его предок - стал праиндоевропейским языком. Это достаточно смелое заявление, революционное даже. Ты не находишь? Просвети меня. Я об этом ничего не знаю. Без иронии.
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Стыдно Вирабоф Это праиндоевропейский корень (солярный ). Да такое имя у кипчаков есть
Норайр, праиндоевропейский язык и есть санскрит. И - откуда у кыпчаков такое имя? Они же не арии. Отсюда мой интерес. Матах.
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Saule, Ваше имя на санскрите, а также на латышском и литовском языках означает Солнце. Это осознанный выбор ника или же имя, распространенное среди представителей Вашего этноса? Мне правда стало интересно.
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Вир, у каждого свой стиль. Секрет заключается в том, чтобы полностью отказаться от свойственной каждому из нас зажатости, любых правил и необходимости следовать канонам.
Итак, я закрываю глаза и записываю все, что приходит мне в голову. Как бы грежу наяву.
Поехали -
Удалено.
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Shenyatsi, ты джентльмен.
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Шеняци-джан , поставь лучше предупреждение мне, а не Мирзояну. Потому что иначе я начну ругаться. Добротным русским матом. И тогда опять катавасия начнется. Давай избежим ссоры, а? Мирзоян - мой друг. Он прав. Его оппонент - нет. Это же очевидно.
Сатеник-джан ,
Мне понравился приведенный Вами оборот.
Правда, Шеняци сейчас обидится. Поэтому у меня к Вам просьба несколько личного свойства. Видите ли, мы с Шеняци побратались, и - хотя я с ним в данной ситуации категорически не согласен - мне придется его защищать. Помимо собственного желания. Поэтому я был бы весьма Вам признателен, если бы Вы согласились отредактировать Ваш постинг. Это помогло бы мне избежать участи делать то, что мне не совсем нравится. Точнее, совсем не нравится. Заранее благодарю Вас. Простите, если утруждаю.
Искренне Ваш,
Вирабофф
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Зачем нам бикамерный, от однокаммерного пользы не можем получть, а тут двукамерный.
Армада, я Вам завидую. Антрацитовой завистью. Вы знаете ответы на все вопросы. По-видимому, часто до того, как Вам их задали. Вам так приятно и свободно жить, наверное. А я, несчастный, все мучаюсь, страдаю, ищу. Пытаюсь понять. Решить. Зачем все это? Такой вздор, Вы не находите? Ах, милый Армада, как бы мне перенять Вашу легкость и неотразимость суждений?
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Фаддей, такое ощущение, что Вы кроме себя в этой теме никого не читаете. Я уже отвечал на "волнующие" Вас вопросы. И - неоднократно. Мои ответы находятся здесь, -
http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=6993&st=0
Да, я убежденный монархист. Но причем здесь мои монархические или республиканские убеждения?
Привет семье и соседям.
Вирабов
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Да - все огрехи перевода - мои собственные. Заранее прошу прощения.
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AZTAG: Interview with Igor Mouradian
Interview by Khatchig Mouradian
http://www.aztagdaily.com/interviews/interviews.htm
Eighth of May 2004
Igor Mouradian has played a key role in the early stages of the struggle for
self-determination in Karabagh. A member of The International Institute for
Strategic Studies (IISS), Dr. Mouradian is also the author of a number of
books, in Russian, about geo-politics and geo-economics
( http://news.artsakhworld.com/igor_muradian.../eng/index.html ).
I spoke to him in Beirut.
Aztag- What is your take on the current ruling elite in Georgia?
Igor Mouradian- It was clear from a long time that the culinary change in
Georgian politics will be connected to the right forces not to the leftist
ones. The right in Georgia would become the most popular and the most active
in the political arena. This has something to do with the connection with
the United States. Georgia was always keen to demonstrate its orientation
towards the west. However, this was only declaration; the orientation was
only towards the U.S. However, the U.S. is maintaining a very rigid
framework in its international politics in general and regional politics in
particular. Some people think that the U.S. politics is very wide, but it's
an illusion. The interest of Georgia and other countries in the region
cannot really fit into the framework of U.S. interest, and the situation is
dramatic for this very reason.
Armenia has chosen a different path. Some analysts accuse Armenia of being
isolated. This is rubbish. Either these people do not understand the
realities on the ground, or they're simply lying. In fact, Armenia has a
well-balanced international policy. Because of their policies, Georgia and
Azerbaijan are much more isolated than Armenia. The main problem of Georgia
is that the regime is not adequate. The ruling elite is more than a
marionette, it is extremely dependant on foreign signals. It is not capable
of creating long-term international policies, because the U.S. is demanding
that they quickly solve very important issues. The new Georgian president
does not really understand the problems of the Georgian foreign policies-
Aztag- What are these problems?
Igor Mouradian- This country has chosen its main political and economic
profile, which is based on the development of transit and services. If they
want to succeed as a transit country, they should be keen on establishing
good relations with their neighbors. Georgia cannot really develop the model
it had chosen when it is in conflict or confrontation with Russia. Of
course, one can understand why the Georgian elite is behaving in this way:
Russia has been carrying forward inconsistent policies in the area, and it
has done little to improve its relations with Georgia.
The main problem that the Georgian politics is facing at the moment is not
Adjaria or Abkhazia and not even the economical issues, but creating an
effective and a centralized administration. Most members of the new
administration have already had the experience of administrative work, but
with no positive results. In my opinion, the present Georgian administration
is illegitimate, inadequate, and it is clear that it's not permanent.
Aztag- How can it be illegitimate? After all, it is the people that brought
this administration to power.
Igor Mouradian- No revolution can create legitimate governments; it can
create efficient regimes, but never legitimate governments. Georgia has
neither. The leaders are very ambitious, and they will refuse to be
consistent in setting up a well-balanced regime. The current regime is
doomed to catastrophe. The foreign influences are too strong. The situation
is very dangerous for Yerevan not because this experience could also be
applied to Armenia, but because the current situation in Georgia is very
inconvenient for our interests and us.
Aztag- And what are, in your opinion, the factors that make an unstable
Georgia a problem for Armenia?
Igor Mouradian- One and only one factor: Communication. Even the situation
of Armenians in Georgia is not that much of a problem. The politicians in
the U.S., Europe and the Middle East are interested in the following
question: could the Georgian scenario happen in Armenia as well? That's
rubbish. We have a completely different social and economical system, our
country is developing very fast, the shortcomings of the ruling regime in
Armenia are being compensated by the presence and the activities of very
stable political structures within the country, the parliamentary process,
and other factors. We have created a powerful army, and at the same time, a
very efficient security system.
Armenia is approaching a time when the opposition will be represented by
nationalistic forces. The political parties oriented towards Russia, Europe,
or the U.S. will refuse to maintain policies that have anything to do with
external factors. Armenia will become a patriotic nationalist state. In this
respect, we can become an example to the other independent states. And of
course, our main problem will be the problem of the elite, but our
administration is much more adequate. The problem of elite is a problem that
runs for decades, and therefore, it is not worthwhile to speed up any
process; a revolution is not something that is necessary. Revolution would
make sense in only one instance: if the ruling regime ignores the national
interests.
Aztag- The western media refers to the current Georgian elite as
?nationalists¦ and ?pro-western¦. You are saying that Sahakashvili-s
government is extremely dependent on the U.S. How can this dilemma of
nationalism-dependence be explained?
Igor Mouradian- Every nation has its own notion of nationalism. Nationalists
cannot be ?anti¦. If nationalism is directed against a political pole or a
major political force then it is defective. Nationalism is not only about
maintaining the uniqueness of your own nation but also that of other people.
Liberalism and cosmopolitism, especially imperialistic liberalism and
communism, do not respect the notion of nation. But nationalism is fighting
for the uniqueness of all nations. Perhaps the ruling elite in Georgia is
not really nationalist. Or it might be a pseudo-nationalist regime, or a
racist regime. Any idea could be perverted. The thing is that Georgia has
established a European political system; the leftists and the rightists are
very obvious. Armenia doesn-t have that; Armenia has a different scheme: the
conservatives and the liberals. I don't think that any of those as better or
worse than the other. Georgian nationalism has not become a uniting force;
it has not created national ideas. Moreover, the policies of the regime have
divided the society. Of course, the situation in Armenia is not ideal;
there, the clash between fake liberalism and conservatism will become
fiercer with time. One has to be reminded that in Armenia, nationalism has
very deep roots. One can even speak of national fundamentalism.
Unfortunately, our social situation does not allow this national ideology to
become a real thing. One has to be reminded that Pan-Armenian National
Movement and the satellites of this movement are not incidental. The basic
aim of this movement was ideological modernization, a desire to modernize
Armenian politics...it would have had positive results, of course, but their
aims were very low-
Aztag- Currently, Ankara is bringing up the issue of opening the borders
with Armenia more frequently. Some analysts say that the Armenian side might
gain from such a move on the economic level, but it has things to lose on
the political front. What are the factors at work here?
Igor Mouradian- The economic interests and the national interests are not
necessarily conflicting. Now we do have trade relations with turkey.
According to different estimates, we buy goods from Turkey worth something
between 100 and 160 million U.S. dollars. Our export to Turkey is about 20
million U.S. dollars. Politically, all this doesn't change much.
There are two major problems for the U.S. in the region: The Russo-Georgian
relations and the Turkish-Armenian relations. Both problems are connected
with the idea of getting rid of Russian influences. Despite the fact that
the relationship between the U.S. and Turkey have deteriorated recently and
it continues to deteriorate because the Americans are not insisting on
solving the Cyprus problem, the U.S. continues to insist on improving the
Armenian-Turkish relation. The American idea is very simple: once they
improve the relations, this will create a security; Armenia will become so
much more secure. It-s a lie or failure to appreciate the situation. The
relations can be improved, the border may get opened at some point and
investments might start flowing to Turkey and Armenia, but the threat will
still be there. Turkey appreciates only strong position. We must be strong
in order to become partners with Turkey. Now we have a strong army, an
efficient security system, and developed international relations. We are
more prepared to start relations with Turkey. However, one has to separate
two things that have little to do with each other: our economic development
and our relations with Turkey, which include the issue of Genocide
recognition.
Aztag- but couldn't the economic factor be used to pressure Armenia to get
other concessions on the political front?
Igor Mouradian- We speak of Armenia as some other country that has nothing
to do with us. Armenia is us. It all depends on us. We should sort our own
problems and not the problems of Turkey. We should do everything we can to
make sure that we have a government that has a nationalistic agenda and is
not a marionette. Refusal to push for the recognition of the Armenian
genocide, concessions in the Karabagh issue will not improve our relations
with Turkey. Turkey is not interested in Karabagh at all and they are not
interested in the opinions of Azerbaijan. This is an illusion that has been
created. Turkey has its own tasks, its own problems. Turkey is more
interested in the question of genocide than in the question of Karabagh. It
wants to show the western community that apart from the genocide problem
there's also the Karabagh problem that Turkey is interested in.
Aztag- What are the strategic aims of Turkey in the region?
Igor Mouradian- They want to achieve firsthand political and economic
dominance in the region. Apart from pan Turkism, there's also the doctrine
of neo-Ottomanism. When it became clear that Turkey is not capable
maintaining its important presence in central Asia, and that the U.S. is
doing nothing to help Turkey become a Eurasian power, Turkey has become more
interested in neo-Ottomanism. I couldn't find a better term to describe this
doctrine, according to which Turkey must suck non-Turkish people (Albanians,
Bosnians, Georgians, Chechens, and Uzbekistanis) into Turkish politics.
Turkey is now interested in closer regions like the Caucasus, the Balkans,
Ukraine, and Iraq. It's very important that the Armenian communities in the
U.S. and the Middle East appreciate one thing: the U.S. is now carrying out
anti-Turkish policies in the Caucasus. They are doing everything they can
to make sure that Turkey loses its influence on Azerbaijan, they are doing
everything they can to pressure Turkey by creating alternative air bases in
Georgia and they are also using the Armenian factor as a tool for pressure.
It seems that the U.S. likes to create a little Israel in Armenia, simply
because Armenia is the most stable, the most organized country in the
region.
Aztag- What do you mean by ?a small Israel¦?
Igor Mouradian- Israel means an isolated country serving as an aircraft
carrier for the U.S. It-s a very dangerous perspective for us, we shouldn-t
allow this to happen, we should maintain very good relations with the Arab
countries, Iran, and central Asian countries. This is extremely important
for us. Armenia has demonstrated that under conditions that are far from
perfect, it can make breakthroughs in many areas. Georgia and Azerbaijan
cannot be genuine partners of the U.S. They are very unreliable partners not
only for the U.S. but also for Russia, Iran, and Europe. There are only two
countries in the south Caucasus capable of maintaining the role of strategic
partners: the republic of Armenia, and the N.K.R.
Aztag- Armenia boasts excellent relations with Iran, despite the religious
and cultural differences between the two countries. What are the foundations
of this alliance?
Igor Mouradian- The region is coming up with new alliance and with new
blocks that have nothing to do with religious affiliation. These blocks they
are called geo-civilizations, which are not formed within a
cultural-religious framework.
Aztag- So you don't believe in Huntington-s ?Clash of Civilizations¦ theory.
Igor Mouradian- I do believe in the clash of civilizations, but I think
alliances based merely on historical and cultural factors do not work. The
geo-civilizations which are based on geopolitical interests are the ones
that work. The Slavic countries are acting against Russia and there's lots
of conflict between Christian countries, and between Muslim countries. And
the major conflict of them all is not the conflict between the Islam and
Christianity, but between U.S. and Europe. Islam civilization does not have
a common policy. The Islamic world is being used by many, even by Israel.
The Islamic world is not capable of creating a common policy; even the Arab
world isn't capable of doing that. Accordingly, however well the relations
with Turkey and Azerbaijan develop, Iran will never refuse to maintain good
relations with Armenia. This is because of fundamental geopolitical
interests.
Aztag- What does the future hold for the Nagorno-Karabagh conflict? The
status quo cannot be maintained forever, can it?
Igor Mouradian- The conflict is not going anywhere. One should understand a
few things: Russia is not interested in any changes. Russia is now
maintaining its relations with Azerbaijan in a completely different
dimension. There are the other issues where Russia and Azerbaijan understand
each other well. Russia is supportive of the political regime in Azerbaijan;
there are also the issues of Caspian oil, the Russian gas imports, the
question of the Azeri economic migrants in Russia, and some security
questions connected with Russian interests in northern Caucasus. The Azeri
leadership has no illusions about Russian intentions in the Karabagh
problem.
On the other hand, Europe has no operational abilities in Caucasus at all
and has no goals or aims in the region. The only European task is to make
sure that Americans feel uncomfortable; this is the only thing that they are
interested in.
Turkey has no time at all for Karabagh. The Turks are terrified of this
topic, because if they are accused of supporting one side, the Azeri side,
it will create for them another problem in terms of joining the EU.
Iran is also very happy with the status quo.
In turn, the U.S. has only three aims: oil, oil and oil. Sometimes people
confuse priorities and goals; the priority is stability, and the status quo
perfectly corresponds to the U.S. interests. The U.S. administration has had
the chance to see for itself in Key West that there's no political solution
to the Karabagh problem, which can only be solved militarily. The U.S. will
not accept a military solution, they're afraid of military solution, and
they are supportive of the current administration on one condition: Ilham
Aliev should not try to solve the Karabagh problem by resorting to the
option of war. For the U.S., if there is no political way, there is no other
way.
If you had asked me three years ago "what is the future of Karabagh?" I
would have told you that it will stay like this for decades and it will be
capable of developing successfully in its current state. But now, seeing the
current movements and tendencies, I've come to understand that the western
community will have to decide the status of uncontrolled territories
(Kosovo, Bosnia, Taiwan, Sumatra, Palestine, Karabagh, Adjaria, Abkhazia,
the Iraqi Kurdistan and Northern Cyprus and possibly another 10 more
territories including Kashmir and some territories in Afghanistan).
Sometimes they ask the question "how many U.S. congressmen know the surname
of the Nigerian president?" I don't think that many do. It's a country with
100 million people. However, Ghougasian, the president of Karabagh, is known
to many congressmen and so is Denktash. They're playing an extremely
important role in the external balance of power. And this problem will
persist and it should be solved. Moreover, there's another question of task
or problem: not all the territories will receive its formal status, and the
Americans have discussed this publicly. Nevertheless, Karabagh has more
chances than anyone else does to become internationally recognized. Of
course, there is a danger when discussing the recognition of the N.K. state;
the question of territories will arise, but there is probably a way out.
Perhaps Karabagh will play an exceptional role in political history by
demonstrating how a tiny country coming out of the fierce and bloody war can
create a fascinating democratic society.
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Я могу написать что-нибудь, если хотите. Это очень просто. На самом деле.
Закрываете глаза и записываете все, что при этом видите - людей, фигуры, тени, мелькающие мысли. Мы в детстве так играли - зачитывая потом друг другу что получилось. При наличии небольшого воображения получается весело, непринужденно и даже - иногда - интересно.
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Доброму Харону в надежде, что он изменит свое отношение к германцам и их чудесному языку.
К Немецкой Речи
Кастильское наречье - мой удел,
Колокола Франсиско де Кеведо,
Но в бесконечной кочевой ночи
Есть голоса отрадней и роднее.
Один из них достался мне в наследство -
Библейский и шекспировский язык,
А на другие не скупился случай,
Но вас, сокровища немецкой речи,
Я выбрал сам и много лет искал,
Сквозь лабиринт бессониц и грамматик,
Непроходимой чащею склонений
И словарей, не твердых ни в одном
Оттенке я прокладывал дорогу.
Писал я прежде, что в ночи со мной
Вергилий, а теперь могу добавить -
И Гельдерлин, и Херувимский Странник.
Мне Гейне шлет нездешних соловьев
И Гете - смуту старческого сердца,
Его самозабвенье и корысть,
А Келлер - розу, вложенную в руку
Умершего, который их любил,
Но этого бутона не увидит.
Язык, ты главный труд своей отчизны
С ее любовью к сросшимся корням,
Зияньем гласных, звукописью, полной
Прилежными гекзаметрами греков
И ропотом родных ночей и пущ.
Ты рядом был не раз. И нынче, с кромки
Бессильных лет, мне видишься опять -
Далекий, словно алгебра и месяц...
Хорхе Луис Борхес
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Здесь возможны три варианта.
Я раздражаю тех, кому гордость не позволяет со мной согласиться, а интелект не подсказывает подходящих аргументов для спора.
Я раздражаю тех, кто видет себя не в лучшем свете, но сознаться себе в этом не хочет.
Я раздражаю тех, кого вообще раздражают евреи.
Гефен, сюда приходит много евреев. Но раздражаешь только ты. Запиши меня в третью категорию. На всякий случай - так интереснее. И - продолжим.
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Чачанак, мне кажется, Вы правы.
Sultan askyar zorg havagets,
Yekav Sasna shurdje patets
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Zardir, Lao, mernim kezi.
Правда, лучше спросить у САСа и Сатеник.
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Гефен, ты просто всех дико раздражаешь. В этом - и только в этом - смысле ты талантлив и даже гениален.
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Марианка, верните мне Френча сюда. Немедленно. Вы жестоко оборвали его полет на полуслове, Вы и обеспечьте доставку, пожалуйста. Здесь, кроме Френча, являющегося с недавних пор Вашей безраздельной собственностью, на эту тему не с кем говорить.
Харон, в продолжение нашего разговора о том, как Вам не нравится немецкий язык, я только что - случайно - наткнулся на замечательное стихотворение Борхеса, посвященное немецкой речи. Процитирую в литературном разделе, если хотите.
Давайте говорить о деле. Итак, нужен ли Армении бикамерный парламент?
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Армения разрабатывает концепцию Национальной безопасности
Армения начала разработку концепции Национальной безопасности , - заявил сегодня на пресс-конференции советник президента по вопросам национальной безопасности Гарник Исагулян.
По его словам, некоторые положения данной концепции вскоре будут представлены общественности – "другая часть концепции в интересах государства останется закрытой". "У Армении будет оригинальная концепция, обусловленная геополитическим положением и однородному демографическому составу республики", - отметил советник главы государства.
Концепция должна содержать в себе все возможные и невозможные опасности, которые могут угрожать стране. "Есть 3 пункта, которые необходимо учесть для сохранения национальной безопасности – улучшение благосостояния населения, нейтрализация угроз и, собственно, разработка концепции национальной безопасности Армении", - отметил Исагулян, добавив при этом, что стране необходимы точки зрения и анализы профессиональных политиков, которые найдут отображение в документе.
Гарник Исагулян проинформировал, что Грузии навязывается формирование подобных институтов, а в Азербайджане данный вопрос находится в стадии обсуждений на государственном уровне - "однако и у них такого института пока нет". Согласно советнику, некоторые представители оппозиции также заняты в процессе разработки соответствующих проектов, однако не желают разглашения своих имен, поскольку боятся обвинений в пособничестве властям.
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Я бы поспорил с Вами, но мне трудно писать по-русски на такие темы. Понятия дешевая и малоквалифицированная рабочая сила - далеко не взаимозаменяемы. Но не будем об этом. Если только Вы не позволите мне ответить Вам по-английски.