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Там же http://webforum.land.ru/mes.php?id=8322362...ard=17692&arhv= Амиль В поддержку Сеймура - Инженер

spear вы тот же spear, который на форуме www.artsakh.info/forum ?

Мне особенно понравилось .arm в конце вашего ника.

Qeri Ты спрашивал Зиядлы, что он думает по поводу армянского геноцида. Пожалуйста, вот что он ответил Меркурию:

Говорят Гаджибеков, воздвигнутый в ранг "одного из величайших азербайджанцев" был лезгином по национальности.

Qeri По поводу твоего первого вопроса - почитай сообщения ziadli на бакилиларе. Неужели ты ожидал, что он скажет "Да"???

Придурки из "Зеркала" намалевали очередной "шедевр" по поводу принятия резолиции швейцарским парламентом. Не буду постить эту дурь полностью, приведу только несколько строк: Какое начало! Какие слова ала! "антидемократическую сущность"! :lol: Швейцария так прямо и дрожит вся. :lol: Как Франция дрожала. Неужели эти писаки действительно не понимают, насколько они убого выглядят когда пишут такое? Хотя о чем разговор Господи, у них "демократическая сущность" выражается через "забрасывание яйцами дипмиссии". Странно, что они не написали "тухлыми яйцами". Так что, подтверждается то, что такого понятия как "азери" не существует? Одна нация стало быть. Но что интересно - автор прямо указывает, ПОЧЕМУ они должны "оказать поддержку Турции". Восточный базар короче.

"SYSTEM OF A DOWN" LAUNCHES CAMPAIGN FOR ADOPTION OF GENOCIDE RESOLUTION WASHINGTON, DC - System Of A Down, the alternative-metal band that has been among the sharpest critics of U.S. government complicity in Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide, launched a nation-wide campaign today calling on their fans and supporters to ask Congress to pass legislation recognizing the Armenian Genocide and reaffirming America's resolve to prevent future genocides, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA). The legislation (H.Res.193 and S.Res.164) commemorates the U.S. implementation of the Genocide Convention and specifically calls for the lessons of the Armenian Genocide, the Holocaust, and Cambodian and Rwandan genocides to be applied by the U.S. government in helping to prevent future genocides. The Bush Administration, despite a February 2000 campaign promise by then candidate George W. Bush that he would recognize the Armenian Genocide, has formally opposed the measure and is seeking to block its adoption solely on the grounds that it specifically references the Armenian Genocide. In a letter sent today to hundreds of thousands of System fans, band member Serj Tankian noted that, "Whether it’s the Holocaust in Germany, the Killing Fields in Cambodia or the Armenian Genocide, one thing that all crimes against humanity have in common is the abuse of religion, race, or cultural differences as an excuse to exterminate a whole group or nation of people." He then asked the band's supporters to "Please join myself along with Daron, Shavo, and John in sending these postcards to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert to encourage them both to take a firm stand against the unspeakable horrors of Genocide." To take part in this Printable Postcard campaign: 1) Visit www.anca.org/anca/SOAD 2) Print out two postcards on a home or office printer 3) Sign, stamp, and mail "System consistently and powerfully reaches a vast American audience, engaging them on human rights issues and inspiring them to demand that their government respect the truth and work for justice," said Aram Hamparian, Executive Director of the ANCA. "The band's outreach has been unprecedented in educating literally millions of their fans about the Armenian Genocide, Turkey's denial of this crime, and - closest to home - our own government's ongoing complicity in the Turkish government's shameful cover-up." This internet campaign is running parallel to the ANCA's distribution of "hard-copy" postcards to Armenian American households around the nation. Both programs were made possible through the financial support of System Of A Down. The Genocide resolution was introduced in the Senate in June by Senators John Ensign (R-NV) and Jon Corzine (D-NJ). Its companion House measure, led by Representatives George Radanovich (R-CA), Adam Schiff (D-CA), and Congressional Armenian Caucus Co-Chairs Frank Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI), was adopted unanimously by the House Judiciary Committee in May and has 111 cosponsors. Support for these measures has been widespread, with a diverse coalition of over 100 ethnic, religious, civil and human rights organizations calling for their passage, including American Values, National Organization of Women, Sons of Italy, NAACP, Union of Orthodox Rabbis, and the National Council of La Raza. The text of Serj Tankian's letter is provided below: Dear Friends, It's an honor to communicate with you, not just about things having to do with System Of A Down, but also aboutings that have a deep importance to humanity and the reason for our existence. Whether it’s the Holocaust in Germany, the Killing Fields in Cambodia or the Armenian Genocide, one thing that all crimes against humanity have in common is the abuse of religion, race, or cultural differences as an excuse to exterminate a whole group or nation of people. We are at a time in history when we can no longer afford to deny the occurrence of such atrocities or be passive about allowing such crimes to take place again. We need to mobilize our hearts. Please join myself along with Daron, Shavo, and John in sending these postcards to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert to encourage them both to take a firm stand against the unspeakable horrors of Genocide. Please take a moment to download, print and mail these postcards to Congress. Please click here: www.anca.org/anca/SOAD With Respect, Serj Tankian System Of A Down

"SYSTEM OF A DOWN" LAUNCHES CAMPAIGN FOR ADOPTION OF GENOCIDE RESOLUTION WASHINGTON, DC - System Of A Down, the alternative-metal band that has been among the sharpest critics of U.S. government complicity in Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide, launched a nation-wide campaign today calling on their fans and supporters to ask Congress to pass legislation recognizing the Armenian Genocide and reaffirming America's resolve to prevent future genocides, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA). The legislation (H.Res.193 and S.Res.164) commemorates the U.S. implementation of the Genocide Convention and specifically calls for the lessons of the Armenian Genocide, the Holocaust, and Cambodian and Rwandan genocides to be applied by the U.S. government in helping to prevent future genocides. The Bush Administration, despite a February 2000 campaign promise by then candidate George W. Bush that he would recognize the Armenian Genocide, has formally opposed the measure and is seeking to block its adoption solely on the grounds that it specifically references the Armenian Genocide. In a letter sent today to hundreds of thousands of System fans, band member Serj Tankian noted that, "Whether it’s the Holocaust in Germany, the Killing Fields in Cambodia or the Armenian Genocide, one thing that all crimes against humanity have in common is the abuse of religion, race, or cultural differences as an excuse to exterminate a whole group or nation of people." He then asked the band's supporters to "Please join myself along with Daron, Shavo, and John in sending these postcards to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert to encourage them both to take a firm stand against the unspeakable horrors of Genocide." To take part in this Printable Postcard campaign: 1) Visit www.anca.org/anca/SOAD 2) Print out two postcards on a home or office printer 3) Sign, stamp, and mail "System consistently and powerfully reaches a vast American audience, engaging them on human rights issues and inspiring them to demand that their government respect the truth and work for justice," said Aram Hamparian, Executive Director of the ANCA. "The band's outreach has been unprecedented in educating literally millions of their fans about the Armenian Genocide, Turkey's denial of this crime, and - closest to home - our own government's ongoing complicity in the Turkish government's shameful cover-up." This internet campaign is running parallel to the ANCA's distribution of "hard-copy" postcards to Armenian American households around the nation. Both programs were made possible through the financial support of System Of A Down. The Genocide resolution was introduced in the Senate in June by Senators John Ensign (R-NV) and Jon Corzine (D-NJ). Its companion House measure, led by Representatives George Radanovich (R-CA), Adam Schiff (D-CA), and Congressional Armenian Caucus Co-Chairs Frank Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI), was adopted unanimously by the House Judiciary Committee in May and has 111 cosponsors. Support for these measures has been widespread, with a diverse coalition of over 100 ethnic, religious, civil and human rights organizations calling for their passage, including American Values, National Organization of Women, Sons of Italy, NAACP, Union of Orthodox Rabbis, and the National Council of La Raza. The text of Serj Tankian's letter is provided below: Dear Friends, It's an honor to communicate with you, not just about things having to do with System Of A Down, but also aboutings that have a deep importance to humanity and the reason for our existence. Whether it’s the Holocaust in Germany, the Killing Fields in Cambodia or the Armenian Genocide, one thing that all crimes against humanity have in common is the abuse of religion, race, or cultural differences as an excuse to exterminate a whole group or nation of people. We are at a time in history when we can no longer afford to deny the occurrence of such atrocities or be passive about allowing such crimes to take place again. We need to mobilize our hearts. Please join myself along with Daron, Shavo, and John in sending these postcards to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert to encourage them both to take a firm stand against the unspeakable horrors of Genocide. Please take a moment to download, print and mail these postcards to Congress. Please click here: www.anca.org/anca/SOAD With Respect, Serj Tankian System Of A Down

То, что он показал свое убожество, не появившись на вечере памяти Арно Бабаджаняна в Москве (ох Кобзон высказался, молодец! ), исполнение чьих песен и принесло ему когда-то известность в союзе. И после этого некоторые огненно-землянные дурнушки на бакилиар говорят о том, что музыка мол, "не признает границ не национальностей". А вообще - это армянкий форум, с каких это пор тут азери обсуждают перса Низами?

СААРЯН Уэсли Кларк - проститутка.

Ziyadli Ну ты же не ребенок в конце концов. Извини за прямолинейность, но я скажу тебе прямо - по данной теме та ..."тактика" что ли, которую ты выбрал трещит по швам. Думаю ты понял, что я имею ввиду. А какое ты отношение имеешь к туркам? Если ты (как и многие другие насколько я понял) рассматриваете Азербайджан как составную часть Турции, а не самостоятельное государставо - то тогда понятно. Если же нет, то почему тогда для азери этот вопрос является таким болезненным? Хотя по всей вероятности действует принцип:"армяне говорят да, мы должны говорить нет, вне зависимости от предмета разговора". В таком случе мне очень жаль, как ты выразился "на таком коне вы далеко не уедете". А это смотря в чьих они руках Ziyadli. П.С. Ну так что там говоришь у вас со Стракером случилось?

В Чечне задержан бандит, утверждающий, что в Азербайджане действует фонд по финансированию боевиков - РОШ 18.12.03 11:28 ГРОЗНЫЙ, 18 декабря. /Корр. РИА "Новости"/. В Чечне задержан бандит, который утверждает, что в Азербайджане действует фонд по финансированию боевиков. Об этом РИА "Новости" в четверг сообщили в Региональном оперативном штабе /РОШ/. По данным РОШ, эта информация была получена после допроса задержанного накануне некоего Ризвана - активного члена незаконных вооруженных формирований, причастного к финансированию боевиков. Он утверждает, что в настоящее время в Баку функционирует так называемый исламский фонд "Ассалам", который финансирует несколько бандгрупп, действующих в Ножай-Юртовском и Веденском районах Чечни. "Кроме того, фонд оказывает финансовую помощь временно проживающим и находящимся на лечении в Баку боевикам", - сообщили в РОШ, сославшись на показания задержанного боевика. По его данным, общее руководство фондом осуществляют некие Абу-Раби и Хикмет - арабы по национальности. В настоящее время на основании полученных от задержанного боевика показаний правоохранительные органы спланировали мероприятия по задержанию членов его бандгруппы и ликвидации выявленного канала финансирования. РИА "Новости" пока не удалось получить комментарии азербайджанских силовых структур по поводу утверждений задержанного чеченского боевика. http://www.rian.ru/rian/intro.cfm?nws_id=488776

Kemal Ataturk Admits Reality of the Armenian Genocide in a 1926 Interview In June 1926 a group of disgruntled Turks, headed by a certain Ziya Hurshid, planned to assassinate the “father of the Turkish Republic,” Mustapha Kemal. In mid_June, Kemal was scheduled to visit Izmir after an extended tour of the country. The plotters secretly assembled in that city and finalized their plan to the minutest detail. The plot was given away by one of the conspirators, and almost all of them were arrested, tried and punished. Kemal arrived in Izmir and personally took charge of the arrests. He himself interrogated a few of the prisoners, who were his former friends. The infamous Independence Tribunal was summoned from Ankara, and at the conclusion of the mock trial, fifteen conspirators were sentenced to death. Those who belonged to the former Union and Progress (Ittihad ve Terakki) Party of the Young Turks, were later tried in Ankara, found guilty and executed. In July of the same year, a Swiss journalist, Emile Hilderbrand, interviewed Kemal, who openly blamed the Young Turks for the massacre of “millions of our Christian subjects.” The interview originally appeared in the August 1, 1926 issue of the Los Angeles Examiner. This newspaper interview is an important document, since, in the ninth paragraph, Kemal Ataturk admits the reality of the Armenian Genocide. The text below is corrected and reprinted from the Armenian Mirror-Spectator, March 16, 1985. Kemal Promises More Hangings of Political Antagonists in Turkey I shall not stop until every guilty person, no matter how high his rank, has been hung from the gallows as a grim warning to all incipient plotters against the security of the Turkish Republic. Since the very hour of its reincarnation in the rejuvenated body of the Republic, our nation has endured travails no other nation has ever experienced. When we were fighting external enemies, or enemies whom we were certain were sympathetic with foreign intriguers, nearly all of the rank and file of our population were enthusiastically, even fanatically, united to deliver the nation from the multiple foreign yokes. But no sooner had the nation proved its worth to its foreign detractors than certain elements, bred in the old school of political intrigue, began to show their claws. We were face to face with a menace to the life of the republic from two elements. One was the group who combined religious fanaticism and ignorance with political imbecility and who, in the past, under different Sultans had come to believe that the state was an organism to be exploited through debauchery, corruption and brazen bribery for personal ends. I put the ax in the dual root of this sinister and reprehensible theory of government by destroying the Khalif and the Sultan. I sent into exile the persons in whom this theory was personified. Large numbers, adherents of this school of politics, attempted to interpret any act as atheistic, and, under the aegis of religion, began to intrigue against the life of the republic. Sixty Leaders Hang at Dawn In several instances in the past when, in Kurdistan and other interior regions of Anatolia, they showed a disposition to challenge the will of the republic, I crushed them with an iron hand, and for example, had over sixty of their leaders hanged at dawn. That element had its lesson and will not again attempt to measure swords with 'me. The second element, I am now about to deal with ruthlessly, is the group of men who in the pre_republic days were known in the world as the Committee of the Union of the Young Turks. The ranks of this element were recruited from a questionable assortment of political adventurers, half_educated progressives and men of dissolute habits. In the days when we were battling against foes from within and without, this element joined us and fought in our ranks. Yet from the early days I had misgivings as to their motives. But I wished, hoped and then prayed that once our country was redeemed from the foreign yoke, this element would mend its methods and become infused with the seal of patriotism. I soon began to realize that my hopes were doomed to be disillusioned and my prayers were [not] to be answered. I patiently waited, keeping a sharp eye on their movements. Seditious Movements Cloaked They formed themselves into a political opposition. I do not pretend to be a dictator, bent to suppress sincere and honest political opposition, because a republic is a misnomer when it ceases to brook criticism. But when a group of dissolute, corrupt and unscrupulous political adventurers begin to organize seditious movements under the cloak of political opposition, it becomes the sacred duty of those who are in charge of the machinery of the government to suppress it and suppress it with an exemplary ruthlessness that will prevent the eventual shedding of rivers of blood. I am about to show these plotters that the Republic of Turkey cannot be overthrown by murderers or through their murderous designs... These left_overs from the former Young Turk Party, who should have been made to account for the lives of millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse, from their homes and massacred, have been restive under the republican rule. They have hitherto lived on plunder, robbery and bribery and become inimical to any idea, or suggestion to enlist in useful labor and earn their living by the honest sweat of their brow. Under the cloak of the opposition party, this element, who forced our country into the Great War against the will of the people, who caused the shedding of rivers of blood of the Turkish youth to satisfy the criminal ambition of Enver Pasha, has, in a cowardly fashion, intrigued against my life, as well as the lives of the members of my cabinet. I would have more respect for them had they planned an armed revolution, taking the field in a manly fashion, to overthrow my government. But being conscious of the fact that they could not muster out even one regiment to give battle to the zealous adherents to, and upholders of, the glorious republic, they have resorted to beastial methods of assassination. They have hired murderers and even debauched women to commit their murderous acts. In the middle of June last I had planned to make a tour of the country. My itinerary was published. A group of these assassins, placed on the route of procession, were to “rain” hand grenades at the automobiles which were to carry me and my staff. They went even further and seduced a woman who had been for years identified with my cause and who had been my loyal political friend and on occasion, even adviser. They induced this woman to accept the reprehensible assignment to present me with a bouquet which concealed a bomb that would, on my receiving it, explode and obliterate everyone in sight. This ill_advised woman deserves pity, for she was made to believe that she would thus sacrifice her own life for the good of the fatherland. I was the enemy of the nation. She will be forgiven for her part in the plot, for she conscience_stricken, confessed to the proper authorities in time for me to cancel my intended tour. http://www.zoryan.org/

О-о...если не секрет, от кого слышал?

Не думаю. Истина одна - Турция сама должна признать факт геноцида. Другой истины нет. Ziyadli, поисков истины никто и не ведет ибо она и так ясна. Вопрос тут в другом - тот же парламент является, как ты заметил, инструментом в процессе, образно выражаясь одним из болтиков в механизме. Ага, с турками да ты имеешь ввиду? Малейшая вера в то, что с турками можно "обсудить" :lol: этот вопрос или в то, что турки дремлют привела бы к срыву принятия резолюции. Ого, это как? Ты меня извини конечно, но ты сам то понимаешь, что ты сказал? Вот из таких вот маленьких побед все и получится. Хотя, как бы то там ни было, думай так как тебе угодно.

ziyadli Во-первых, я же написал - "Возможно...". Я не присутствовал на данном заседании. Далее. Ты говоришь о том, что "интересы меняются". Мне интересно, как ты лично предствляешь себе это в данном конкретном случае?

Ziyadli I don’t see any reason why should we discuss this b u ll s h it written by ppl like Danielyan. Hence this is my last post in this topic.

Виген джан, я ссылаюсь на то, что читаю. А читаю я по этой теме немало, уж поверь мне.

ziyadli Понимаю что ты хочешь сказать. Скажу сразу - религия тут не при чем, ты и сам это знаешь, так что не надо её в эту тему "вставлять". Ублюдков хватает везде - будь то христианин, будь то мусульманин. Человечесто - оно жестоко и оно всегда будет жестоко. Ты же сам отлично понимаешь, что в действительности в политике нет таких понятий, как скажем "демократия". Что касается данной темы, то меня интересует одно - факт признания геноцида. Ты говоришь о лицемерии - возможно, что Швейцария преследует свои собственные интересы, но мне на это наплевать. Процесс идет, и он как я уже писал необратим. //сорри, оффтоп А что со Стракером случилось на бакилиларе? Если не секрет конечно.

Гюнортаныз хэйир ziyadli, нэ вар, нэ йох? Скажу коротко (уже устали говорить)- даниэлянов и ему подобных никто серьезно не воспринимает, кроме его работадателей - ни в Армении, ни за ее пределами. Так что советую тебе расслабиться.

Не все набрались Вирабофф джан, далеко не все.Говорю тебе это, так как имею знакомых среди лезгин.

Arin-Berd, Небольшая поправка - не 1.5 миллиона армян было уничтожено, а значительно больше. Вот что пишет историк Tessa Hoffmann в предисловии к книге Армина Вегнера "Судебный процесс Талаата паши":

Viraboff Не вырежут так ассимилируют (лезгинов в смысле). Посмотри на талышей...сегодня можно сказать что в 90% случаев осталось только имя - талыш. Да и то - сегодня есть завтра нет.

(мысли вслух) Опять бозгурд из норы вылез на свет божий, "сотрясая стены" бакилилара очередным "разоблачением"... Странное дело, он появляется именно тогда, когда намечается более или менее нормальный разговор между армянами и азербайджанцами в форумах. Об ихнем сеятеле ненависти ген.азе и смысла не имеет писать, но можно ли так отравлять своих же соотечественников ненавистью? Может Ziyadli знает?