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  1. Jamanakin karkin kusakcutyuner, marxistakan kexter@ ch'hasvats. Heto sksecin kak utel ev storagrecin Alexandropol-i dashink@, Sevres durc gtselov. Inch ka heghapoxakan erb seghanin nstac turkerin nvirum en Kars'n ou Ardahan@? Alexander Khatisian Sardarapatic heto el Batumi dashink@ Andranik@ khelok mart er,shout tshec dranc. 1886-1905 tverin el Hnchaknerneyin himnakanum aktiv. Njdehi girk@ kardacek. Esorva orov Dashnakcutyun@ spyurkum secta a. Dashnak ches Hay ches. Ov a tesel yerexaneri hamar kusakcakan dproc lini?
  2. Kam irenc apush erkric Inchi het chen gnum vorteghic vor ekan? Es ton@ Celtakan tsakum uni vor@ Katolikner@ haytni darcrin ev taratsecin. Voch mi naxa-Kristoneakan kronakan imast chi mnacel inchpes nayev Vardavari kam el Barekendani mej. ~~~ Halloween is a holiday celebrated on the night of October 31, usually by children dressing in costumes and going door-to-door collecting candy. It is celebrated in much of the Western world, though most commonly in the United States (to which Irish and other immigrants brought the tradition in the 19th century). Halloween also is called All Saints' Eve, All Hallows' Eve, or Hallowe'en, as it is the eve before the Catholic holy day of All Saints (which itself is known as All Hallows). Halloween is also known as the Day of the Dead, and it is a day of celebration for Wiccans and other pagan traditions, though generally the holiday has lost its religious connotations. Halloween is sometimes associated with the occult. Many European cultural traditions hold that Halloween is one of the "liminal" times of the year when the spirit world can make contact with the natural world (see, for example, Catalan mythology about witches) and when magic is most potent. The majority of Christians ascribe no doctrinal significance to Halloween, treating it as a purely secular entity devoted to celebrating imaginary spooks and handing out candy. The secular celebration of Halloween may loom larger in contemporary imagination than does All Saints Day. The mingling of Christian and "pagan" traditions in the early centuries following the founding of the Christian Church have left many modern Christians uncertain of their responsibility towards this holiday. Some fundamentalist Christian groups consider Halloween a Pagan holiday and may refer to it as "The most evil day of the year", refusing to allow their children to participate. Among these groups it is believed to have developed Satanic influences, as have many other Pagan practices. It used to be that on Halloween, schools would give children boxes to collect pennies in for UNICEF, but after these fundamentalist Christians complained that the schools were endorsing a Pagan religion, most schools stopped distributing such boxes. Other Christians, however, continue to connect this holiday with All Saints Day. Some modern Christian churches commonly offer a "fall festival" or harvest-themed alternative to Halloween celebrations. Still most Christians hold the view that the holiday is "safe"; that is, that it is not Satanic in origin or practice and that it holds no threat to the spiritual lives of children.
  3. A kodga evreji rugayut Arabov, oni antisemiti? Arabi je Semiti a bolshinstvo evrejev ne Semiti a Evropejci, Khazari etc.
  4. Anshousht. Ham el ete Haykakan toner en uzum amboghj azgov nshel karogh en teghapoxvel Hayrenik, voch vok irenc chi pahum AMN-um. Vor erkrum aprum es ayt erkri orenkner@, avanduytner ev ayln partadir eh hetevel.
  5. Karmir tenc lini vartavar, barekendan, mer harsanikner@ ev ayln nuynpes "char ujeri" toner en
  6. Armenian archbishop quizzed over spat with yeshiva student By Amiram Barkat The Armenian archbishop in Israel, Nourhan Manougian, was questioned under warning by police yesterday after he slapped a yeshiva student during a procession marking the Exaltation of the Holy Cross in Jerusalem's Old City. The archbishop slapped the student after the latter spat at the cross the Armenians were carrying and at Manougian himself. The incident developed into a brawl during which Manougian's ceremonial medallion, which has been used by Armenian archbishops since the 17th century, broke. (It broke? Surely, the jew had nothing to do with that. ) The incident developed into a brawl during which Manougian's ceremonial medallion, which has been used by Armenian archbishops since the 17th century, broke. The yeshiva student was also detained for questioning. Police are now considering whether to initiate criminal proceedings against the Armenian archbishop and to charge him with assault. Meanwhile, the incident has sparked much anger among the clergy of the small Armenian community in Jerusalem. Religious Jews, among them yeshiva students, customarily spit on the ground as a sign of disgust on seeing the cross. (Imagine the uproar if jews were treated that way.) The Armenians, who live adjacent to the Jewish Quarter of the Old City, suffer from this phenomenon more than any of the other Christian sects in the Old City. Manougian says he and his colleagues have already learned to live with it. "I no longer get worked up by people who turn around and spit when I pass them by in the street; but to approach in the middle of a religious procession and to spit on the cross in front of all the priests of the sect is humiliation that we are not prepared to accept," he notes. A policeman is customarily posted to guard the Armenians' religious processions, but doesn't generally do anything to prevent the spitting. (Of course not. That is just jews being jews.) The Armenians took the matter up with Interior Minister Avraham Poraz some seven months ago, but nothing has been done about till now. "The Israeli government is anti-Christian," Manougian charges. "It cries out in the face of any harm done to Jews all over the world, but is simply not interested at all when we are humiliated on an almost daily basis." Lawmaker Rabbi Michael Melchior (Labor Party) says the phenomenon should be tackled through educational means. "I would expect prominent figures among the religious and ultra-Orthodox sectors, such as the chief rabbis, to denounce this phenomenon," he says. http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/Sh...n&itemNo=486934 Note: Haaretz has now removed the article now
  7. What do they mean by 'face control' ? Tsur ch'nayen? :lol:
  8. Hamadzayn em. Aveli lav eh @ndhanrapes Hayeren chgrel ev khosal kan te aydpisi poghocayin dzevov. Es huys unem vor erb Hayeren fonteri 'standard' stexcvi (Unicode ayd ughutyamb e sharjvum, ch'nayats default@ shat pokr eh) shater@ ksksen Hayeren grel ev nuynisk porcen lavancnen irenc Mayreni lezvi gitelikner@.
  9. Tsayrahegh depkum gone "esi, eni, eti, xi, karam, vekal etc." petka veracnel. Orinak "jogel, dzel, kayf etc." aveli 'slang/casual' en, voch te brnabarats barer. Ughagrakan sxal@ vnas chi talis ev heshtutyamb kareli eh shtkel. I hamemat LA-i metsamasnutyan@ HYEMP3KING-i Hayeren@ park eh.
  10. georgians 101: The primary problem with Georgia is that the nation is not homogeneous, they have dozens of distinct ethnicities living within the borders of Georgia, with Turkic/Osset/Abkhaz/ tribes being most prominent amongst them. The multi-ethnic, multi-lingual and multi-faith national reality has always been a problem for the Georgians because they have not been able to formulate a cohesive national character, one that is a representative of all peoples who live within Georgia. Moreover, unlike Armenians, Georgians tend to dislike and/or distrust Russians for various historic and sociological reasons. Furthermore, Georgians have deep rooted historic animosities against Armenians.Despite the fact that Armenians have greatly contributed to Georgian culture. For example: The "Bagratuni" Georgian kingdom that rose to prominence within the thirteenth century A.D. by defeating numerous Turkic armies was of Armenian decent and at certain times its military leadership and troop was mainly comprised of Armenians. Armenian Christian monks evangelized Georgian tribes and, thereafter, administered their church for several centuries. Armenians founded or directly influenced the national script of Georgians and their ecclesiastic architecture. The Armenian population of Tbilisi exceeded seventy percent during the nineteenth century and were part and parcel of the nation's flowering at the time. Yet, despite all this, during the last hundred years or so, the Georgians have portrayed hostilities towards Armenians. Within the late ninetieth and early twentieth centuries, at a time when Armenians were desperately struggling against Turks for their survival, Georgians often allied themselves with Turks. Consequently, today, there is not much respect towards Georgian politics and culture on the behalf of most Armenian patriots. What's more, with strong Turkic and Jewish influences within Georgia today, I do not see Georgians looking favorably toward Armenians and Russians in the foreseeable future. The Armenian nation has been and is the only natural ally the Russian Republic has within the southern Caucasus. Recent history can corroborate my statement.
  11. Degenerat, skinxedi moji nogi chistyat durak. Oni vse na nas v AMERIKE rabotayut kavkazskoe ***. David Duke on Armenians: In the gulag I became close friends with an ardent and proud Armenian. He acquainted me with a detailed history of the Armenian people. The very name Armenian is derived from the word Aryan. They suffered a true holocaust at the hands of the Turks. Interestingly I read a book by a prominent Jewish author in Israel about the Armenian genocide. In it the author casually reveals that powerful Jews in Turkey egged on the Armenian holocaust to get rid their competitors in business and finance in Constantinople and the Ottoman Empire. The book also reveals how the Jewish power structure in Israel and in the world wide media purposefully downplays and minimizes the Armenian genocide! So here we have the example of the Jewish power structure creating a genocide that didn’t truly exist, (the Holocaust) and denying a Holocaust that did (the Armenian genocide). Interesting. By the way, the ancient symbol of Armenia is akin to what people call the Iron Cross!
  12. Can you name a famous georgian besides Stalin the murdered of tens of millions of inncoent people? In 1000 years of their history since unified Georgia they haven't contributed anything to society. A small country like Serbia gave us Tesla. What have these animals done? I forgot Georgia also gave the world Ariel Sharon Yes Arik Sharon and Stalin, what a genious people. Let's look at the brilliant Armenians: What are they doing today? I'll start with the latest of the greatest. Mark Geragos - Attorney. Ranked as a Super lawyer, is at this moment representing Michael Jackson and the other high profile case of Scott Peterson. Mark Geragos has appeared as both guest and legal commentator on the Today Show, Good Morning America, Dateline NBC, Larry King Live and MSNBC’s Hardball. Mark is a regular fixture on CNBC’s Rivera Live and CNN’s Burden of Proof. The legal newspaper, the Los Angeles Daily Journal, describes Mark Geragos as “arguably the hottest defense lawyer of the moment” while Investor’s Business Daily tabbed him one of the best white collar criminal defense lawyers in California. The Los Angeles Criminal Courts Bar Association has named him “Trial Lawyer of the Year.” The Los Angeles Times described Mark Geragos as “seemingly unbeatable” and the California Law Business Magazine named Geragos as one of 100 Most Influential Attorneys in California. Andre Agassi - Tennis. Ranked #1 in the world in 1995. Has won the Wimbledon, the US Open, the French Open, and an Olympic Gold Medal. David Nalbandian - Tennis Champion Charles Aznavour - Singer and Actor with worldwide popularity. Dr. Raymond Damadian - Inventor. MRI diagnosis machine. Magnetic Resonance Imaging allows the insides of the body to be viewed without actually using surgery. Viktor Hambartsumian - Astrophysicist. Developed theories of young star clusters, and computing the mass ejected from nova stars. Headed Byurakan Observatory in Armenia, & International Astrophysicist Organization. Kevork Hovnanian - Homebuilder. One of top 10 US homebuilders of the 20th century. Gary Kasparov - Chess. Ranked #1 in world. Serving in Russian Parliament. Was defeated for the first time by a chess computer built by IBM. (I wasn't going to include Kasparov as he is part jew, but I decided to because the jews usually try to take all the credit). Dr. Varaztad Kazanjian - Doctor. "Father of Plastic Surgery", Harvard Professor. Kirk Kerkorian - KING OF LAS VEGAS Investor. Owner of MGM/MGM Grand and billions worth of Diamler-Chrysler stock. Soon be major controller of Time-Warner shares. Aram Khachaturian - Composer. World famous composer. "Gayane", "Spartacus", "The Battle of Stalingrad / Othello", "The Sabre Dance". Alex Manoogian - Inventor. Invented single handle faucet, founded Masco. Artem Mikoyan - Aircraft Designer. Creator and namesake of "MiG" Fighters of the Soviet Union and Russia. William Saroyan - Novelist, Playwright. Won a Pulitzer Prize for the play "The Time of Your Life" which he turned down. Wrote "The Human Comedy", "My Name is Aram", and directed a prize winning movie. I believe the first ever, USA/USSR joint commemorative stamp was of William Saroyan. Spandjian - Inventor. Invented the Spandex fabric, which is named after the inventor, Spandjian. Zildjian Family - Manufacturers. Worlds Biggest Cymbal Manufacturers, by using secret family production technique that produces excellent sound and very strong metal. James Bagian, M.D. - Astronaut. American Astronaut. Oscar Banker (Asatour Sarafian) - Inventor. Auto transmission, many other ind./railroad tools, the gun that shoots tetanus shots. Youssouf Karsh - Photographer. Most famous phtographer in the world. Portrait photographer for many world leaders/celebrities. Bob Manoukian - Property and trading. 128th richest person in UK. Vartan Gregorian - former President of the New York Public Library, former President of Brown University, and current President of the Carnegie Corporation. Tigran Petrossian - Chess. Ex-World Chess Champion. Agop Terzan - Astronomer. Discovered star clusters Terzan 1, Terzan 2 etc. Hovhaness Aivazovski - Painter. Famous for his seascapes. Paintings are featured on numerous postage stamps around the world. Calouste Gulbenkian - Oil Baron. "Mr. 5%" Made his fortune in Iraqi oil earlier this century after gaining 5% ownership of BP, and 3 other major companies. Set up a large enduring foundation. Rouben Mamoulian - Director. First to use a mobile camera, Technicolor and a multiple channel sound track. Directed Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, The Mark of Zorro, and Silk Stalkings. K. Serobian - Inventor. Green Ink ( U.S. paper currency-1860) Dr. Kevorkian (aka "Dr.Death" and my all time favorite) - Physician. Proponent of assisted suicide. Helped dozens of terminally ill patients end their lives with his suicide machine. Excerpts from "The Contribution of Armenians to the 20th Century Culture" Natural Sciences and Technology Since early history Armenians were known as skilled merchants that travelled far and wide which made them conversant in astronomy, geography, and mathematics. Thousands of years ago Armenians domesticated wild wheat and apricots. As early as the 9th century BC they cultivated grapes and made wine. Armenians processed metal already in the 6th millennia BC. One of the oldest Armenian states, The Nairi Araratian Kingdom (Urartu called by Assyrians & Armina by Greeks and Persians) came into being in the 9th century BC. Armenian culture flourished anew in the 20th century. Physiologist Levon Orbeli was Ivan Pavlov's closest associate and one of the founders of evolutionary physiology. With the advent of the Space Age Norayr Sissakian advanced the Soviet program of cosmic biology and medicine. Luigi Camician developed photochemistry. Chemist Ivan Knunyants made discoveries in photo-organic chemistry and synthesized capron, which was widely used in the industry. Nikoghayos Yenikopelian, a renowned physical chemist, made important discoveries of synthetic polymers. Vassil Tahirov upgraded viticulture in Armenia to a science and blended the first brandies that earned world-wide recognition. Astrophysicist Viktor Hambartsoumian succeeded Orbeli as the president of the Armenian Academy of Sciences and made substantial breakthroughs in the modern understanding of the evolution of the universe. Abraham Alikhanov was among the pillars of Soviet school of nuclear physics. He was one of the creators of the first heavy water nuclear reactor in the USSR. Samvel Kochariants was for many the mastermind behind three generations of Soviet nuclear weaponry. Sargis Saltikov developed new alloys and the discipline of stereometric metallurgy. Andranik Hovsepian was the pioneer of Soviet electrotechnical engineering, he was responsible for electrical guts of most rockets and designed Soviet Meteor meteorological satellites. Artem Mikoyan was the chief designer and founder of several generations of MIG jet fighters that ensured Soviet air domination in the 50's and continued to protect the borders several decades thereafter. And these are just the ones from Caucasian Armenia (10% of Armenia proper)... I only gave you a sampling of famous Armenians and their achievements. Want more? Let's go back in time a little and see what the Armenians have contributed. Yerevan is one of the oldest continuously inhabited settlements in the world. Older than Rome! 9,000 B.C., the world’s first fortified cities, ramparts and round-shaped military towers are erected in Metsamor in ancient Armenia. Early 5,000 B.C., the first technologically urbanized Armenian city is born, thanks to the advanced knowledge and mastery of metallurgy, mining of precious stones, gems, gold, silver and magnesium, and metal work (bronze and copper). Beginning of 5,000 B.C., ancient Armenian cities are equipped with advanced irrigation systems and houses are supplied with running water through stone pipes in Dari Blur, Aratashen Blur, Ada Blur and Teghut. 5,000 B.C., Armenians in the city of Shengavit create the world’s first round shaped dwellings made out of mud brick, river stones and pottery. Many centuries later, the Armenians will teach the Minoans (mistakenly considered as to be the world’s first and best pottery makers and designers!) the secret of their craft. In fact, the Armenians were the ancient world’s first and best pottery makers and designers In 4,200 B.C., in Metsamor, Armenians create the world’s first navigation system with accurate distances, latitude and longitude measurements, graphs and symbols, as well as topography and mapping systems and tools to map the sky and the stars. In Sissian, the world’s first astrological observatory is built from carved stones, thousands of years ahead of the Babylonians, Egyptians and other great ancient civilizations. Armenia is the birthplace of the zodiac, astronomy, the calandar. At Metsamor (ca 5000 BC), one of the oldest observatories in the world can be found. The Metsamor observatory is an open book of ancient astronomy and sacred geometry. For the average visitor the carvings are indecipherable messages. With Elma Parsamian, the first to unlock the secrets of the Metsamor observatory as a guide, the world of the first astronomers comes alive. The Metsamorians also left behind a calendar divided into twelve months, and made allowances for the leap year. Sketch the locations of the Jupiter moons over several nights and you're repeating an experiment Galileo did in 1610. Chart a star over several years and you repeat an experiment the Metsamorians did almost 5000 years ago. By using the trapezium carving and a 5000 year stellar calendar, Parsamian discovered that the primary star which matched the coordinates of its end point was the star Sirius, the brightest star in our galaxy. 3,000 B.C., in the Armenian cities of Voski Blur, MokhraBlur, Kosh, Lejapi Blur and Jerahovit, Armenians become the world’s first astronomers to find that the earth was round, to build n observatory, to create an astrological calendar dividing the year into 12 partitions of time and to devise the compass. In 4,000 B.C., Armenia began mining metals. The ancient Greeks regarded Armenia as the land were iron was first smelted. Armenia was also the first producer of bronze (Armenian highlands are dotted with hundreds, if not thousands of, bronze-smelting foundries). The two metals, the alloy of which produces bronze (92 per cent copper: 8 per cent tin), were found together in Armenia and Northern Syria (historically part of the Armenian kingdom of Mitanni) and not in Mesopotamia. The Armenians made all the bronze things such as highly decorative couldrons etc for the Romans. The Araratian bronzes (statuettes, pottery, cauldrons, weaponry etc.) that were shipped abroad were copied extensively by the smiths of the importing countries. Those commercial relationships even helped to mould the art of Classical Greece. It is only in recent years that archaeologist have been able to study and assess the significance of Ararat finds, of which many pieces are of great artistic and historical merit in respect to their significant world contribution. An eminent British scholar, Leonard Woolley wrote, "the most original and the most fruitful contribution to art was made by the metal-workers of Ararat (Urartu)" (Mesopotamia and the Middle East, London 1961). The principle of the church dome came from prehistoric times and from centuries of architectural tradition in Armenia. The bassillica is also an Armenian invention. The Crusaders learned to build round-shaped castles from the Armenians(previously to Crusade epoch most of the castles in Europe were square-shaped). The postulated homeland of the Indo-Europeans is, if not the only region, certainly one of the regions in which the horse completed its domestication and was harnessed as a draft animal in the fourth millennium B.C. From here wheeled vehicles spread with the migration of the Indo-Europeans in the third and second millennia B.C. eastward to central Asia, westward to the Balkans, and in a circular motion around the Black Sea and thence to central Europe. The horse drawn chariot/war chariot is an Armenian invention. The Armenians were the jewelers of the Pharaos. Today in Yellowknife Canada, there's a diamond mine which employs approximately 40 diamond cutters/polishers and they are ALL Armenians. In a recent documentary, a spokeswoman for the company said that the reason for this is because the Armenians have a long history of jewlery making and they are the best cutters/polishers in the world. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. If it intrests you, here are a few sites you can visit and make of them what you will, but the worst that can happen is you might learn something you didn't know just as I did. I found the first two exellent. http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone1.html http://www.astrologycom.com/geometry.html http://www.arminco-usa.com/tourarme...mo/geometry.htm http://www.tacentral.com/astronomy.asp http://www.iatp.am/resource/science/parsam...ew/pars-eng.htm http://www.iatp.am/ara/sites/naskal/tracce12/article2.html http://www.usanogh.com/articles/article.php?story_id=212 http://www.tacentral.com/erebuni/cradle.asp Main Entry: ba·sil·i·ca Pronunciation: b&-'si-li-k& also -'zi- Function: noun Etymology: Latin, from Greek basilikE, from feminine of basilikos royal, from basileus king Date: 1541 1 : an oblong building ending in a semicircular apse used in ancient Rome especially for a court of justice and place of public assembly 2 : an early Christian church building consisting of nave and aisles with clerestory and a large high transept from which an apse projects 3 : a Roman Catholic church given ceremonial privileges - ba·sil·i·can /-k&n/ adjective It's an architectural term for the shape of the building, regardless of what it's used for and not the other way around as you think. The conditions for the development of architecture were quite favorable during the Arshakouni Kingdom, which came after the fall of Artashesian Dynasty. King Khosrov Kotak (322-338 A.D.) founded the capital city of Dvin. The construction of churches gained tremendous impetus when in 301 A.D. St. Gregory the Illuminator and the Armenian King Trdat (Tiridates) proclaimed Christianity as the official religion of Armenia, thus making Armenia the first Christian nation in the world. At the very outset of the formal adoption of Christianity as the official religion, St. Gregory the Illuminator founded the first churches and houses of prayer at Ashtishat, Vagharshapat, Sevan and other parts of Armenia. These buildings were single-nave and try- nave basilicas, often built upon the foundations of former pagan temples. In some instances, pagan temples were converted to churches, relocating the apse from the west to the east side of the building. V th century architectural developments resulted in the creation of the traditional Armenian central-domed cathedrals and domed basilicas. These were basic innovations in Armenian Church architecture. The principle of the dome came from prehistoric times and from centuries of architectural tradition in Armenia. «Corbelling» or erecting a wooden domed roof over a square building was widely practiced in Armenia in the construction of public and domestic buildings. This technique consists of laying short wooden beams across the angles of the square formed by four columns or four walls. The Armenian master builders translated this technique into stone and succeeded in building monumental domed structures in masonry. One of the earliest examples of the domed cathedral is the Mother Cathedral of St. Echmiatsin. About the year 480 A.D., prince Vahan Mamikonian rebuilt the basilica church formerly build by St. Gregory the Illuminator in 303 A.D. and incorporated the cruciform plat with a separate, quatrefoil dome-on-pendentive design. The cruciform plan is evident trough the four apses protruding from the walls of the basic quadrilateral plan. As to the dome, it is the central and unifying motif of the overall cruciform design in both plan and elevation. The Cathedral of St. Echmiatsin is one of the earliest examples of Armenian (as well as non-Armenian) architecture incorporating the central-dome construction. It became the prototype of Bagaran (624 631), Mastara (VI th century) and other similar constructions and their variants. The isolated columns of St. John Cathedral of Mastara and of similar designs (e.g. Harij, Ardek, and Voskebar) are eliminated and the broad dome, with modifications of the drum, rests upon the corners of the apses, creating a feeling of space in the interior. The further development of the central dome theme of St. Echmiatsin and Mastara was realized, in the Cathedral of Avan, built in the last decades of the VI th century. In this design the cruciform is incorporated with a perfected square, whose open corners accommodate four round vestries with centralized open anterooms. The broad-set dome rests upon the eight columns bordering the anterooms and vestries. The structural design of the Cathedral of Avan reached a higher degree of perfection in the Cathedral of Virgin Martyr St. Hripsime (618) and in similar structures such as the Monastery of the Holy Translators, the churches of Garnhovit and Sisavan in the vast and powerful Armenian province of Siunik. In contrast to Avan, the Cathedral of St. Hripsime is square-corned and the exterior walls under the apse are indented with trapezoidal niches. This arrangement result in thinner exterior walls while at the same time enhances the structural integrity and aesthetic balance of the overall edifice. The broad, massive outline of St. Hripsime has an extraordinarily harmonious composition. Its lean, stable and yet soaring structure is a fitting match to Ararat and Aragats, which grace its background. The Church of Hripsime is rightly considered a gem of VII th Century classical Armenian Architecture. The dome on pendentives becomes the unifying architectural characteristic of VI th and VII th century Armenian Churches. Subsequently, Armenian architects sought and found various solutions to the problems of enclosing a larger space with now modes of constructing domes. The tri-nave domed basilical cathedral of Tekor (V th century), was the original model from which evolved the dome supported on four columns (e.g. Otsoun, Gayane, Mren, Bagavan). Basilican and cruciform central-domed layouts evolved into another tri-apse Basilican forms and reached, as in the case of the Mother Church of Dvin (607) and the basilica at Talin, monumental dimensions. The cruciform, central-domed church structure was in general use during the VI th to VII th centuries. The cruciform was expressed in the interior and exterior by different adaptations of the arms of the cross. Another interesting cruciform type is illustrated in the Church of Yeghvard and in the multi-apse temple of Irint to the late VII th century. In these structures, 8 radiated apses are inscribed in a polygon and the dome rests on the intersecting ribs of the apses. http://www.armenianhighland.com/architectu...ronicle412.html Lets look at Armenian under an occupation. How many people would do so well under an occupation? Ottoman Armenians became extremely wealthy bankers, merchants, and industrialists, while many at the same time rose to high positions in governmental service. In the 19th century, for example, twenty-nine Armenians achieved the highest governmental rank of Pasha. There were twenty-two Armenian ministers, including the Ministers of Foreign Affairs, Finance, Trade and Post, with other Armenians making major contributions to the departments concerned with agriculture, economic development, and the census. There also were thirty-three Armenian representatives appointed and elected to the Parliaments formed after 1826, seven ambassadors, eleven consul-generals and consuls, eleven university professors, and forty-one other officials of high rank. FAMOUS ARMENIANS OF THE OTTOMAN GOVERNMENT *Agop Gircikyan - Counsellor of the first Turkish Ambassador, Resid Pasha. *Krikor Agaton- Chairman of the Ottoman Post and Telegram Office (1848-50). *Sahak Abro- General secretary of the Ministry of International Affairs (1850-). *Sebuh Laz- Secretary in the Turkish Embassy in Paris (1863). *Krikor Odyan- Principle of the International courts. *Serkis Effendi- First Secretary of Ministry of International Affairs (1870-1871) *Ovakim K. Reisyan- Judge *Artin Dadyan Paa- Counsellor in Ministry of foreign Affairs (1880) *Diran Aleksan Bey- Ottoman Ambassador for Belgium (1862) *Yetvart Zohrab Effendi- Ottoman Ambassador for London (1838-1839) *Hirant Duz Bey- Ottoman Ambassador for Italy (1900-1907) *Hovsep Misakyan Effendi- Ottoman Ambassador for La Haye (1900-1907) *Sarkis Balyan- Turkish Consulate for Italy (1900) *Azaryan Manuk-Counsellor of Ministry of Foreign Affairs *Kapriyel Noradunkyan-Minister of Foreign Affairs (1912) *Agop Kazazyan Pasha- Minister of Finance *Mikael Portukal Pasha- Counsellor of the Ministry of Finance (1886) *Sakiz Ohannes Pasha- General Secretary of Ministry of Foreign Affairs (1871), Minister of Finance (1897) *Garabet Artin Davut Pasha- Ottoman Ambassador for Vienna (1856-1857), Governor of Lebanon (1861), Minister of Internal Affairs (1868) *Krikor Sinopyan- Minister of Internal Affairs *Krikor Agaton- Chairman of PTT (1864) *Jorj Serpos Effendi- General Secretary of Turkish Communication (1868) *Osgan Mardikyan-Minister of Communication (1913) *Tomas Terziyan, Nisan Gugasyan, Tavit Circiyan- Professors of Political Science. *Krikor Zohrab, Bedros Hallaciyan- Istanbul deputies THE LIGHT THAT MAY GO OUT IN TURKEY New York Times OCTOBER 28, 1915 The whole population of the Turkish Empire is estimated at 32,000,000, of whom only 1,100,000 are Armenians. Yet the Armenians have 783 educational institutions, with more than 82,000 students, whereas the Turks can scarcely boast of 150 schools, with only 17,000 students. To give an idea of the economic power of the Armenians in the Turkish Empire. Marcel Leart records the fact that of 166 importers in Ivas, which has the smallest Armenian population of the six Armenian Provinces, 141 are Armenians, 13 Turks and 12 Greeks. Of 150 exporters, 127 are Armenians and 23 Turks. Of 37 bankers and capitalists, 32 are Armenians and only 5 Turks. Of 9,800 shopkeepers and artisans 6,800 are Armenians and only 2,550 Turks, the rest being divided among various other nationalities. The same is true of native industry. Of 153 factories and flour mills, 130 belongs to Armenians, 20 to Turks, and 3, carpet concerns, to foreign or mixed companies. The personnel of all these establishment is Armenian exclusively. The number of employees is about 17,000 of whom 14,000 are Armenians , 3,500 Turks, and 200 Greeks and others. http://www.cilicia.com/armo10c-nyt19151028.html But here's something else I'll rub your nose in. We invented missions, sunday-schools and hospitals too. We couldn't wait 2,000 years for the Anglos to think of them. "At a period when the sword was the usual weapon for conversion, and the doctrines of the church were thrust down the throats of the unconverted "will he, nill he," the Paulicians of Armenia were sending out their missionaries two and two, unarmed except with the word of God, among the savage and pagan Bulgarians, to lead them to Christ and to teach them the way of salvation; and they were wonderfully successful. Many centuries before either the Greek or the Roman Church had thought of the possibility of the devotion of holy women to the nursing of the sick, the care and instruction of the poor and ignorant and of little children, and all those works of mercy which have made the names of the "Sisters of Charity" and of "Mercy" so widely honored, devout women of the Paulician and Bogomil churches were giving themselves to these good works; and not only our modern missions, but our modern Sunday-schools and hospitals for the sick, find their models and origin among these humble people." http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-bl/istorij...-bogomils3.html "The postulated homeland of the Indo-Europeans is, if not the only region, certainly one of the regions in which the horse completed its domestication and was harnessed as a draft animal in the fourth millennium B.C. From here wheeled vehicles spread with the migration of the Indo-Europeans in the third and second millennia B.C. eastward to central Asia, westward to the Balkans, and in a circular motion around the Black Sea and thence to central Europe." http://www.ezula.com/pops/Harmony_CP_Creative1.html "This is easily connected with the idea of the chariot. For that reason it is likely that the pictures of the variously shaped carts met in the engravings of the Gueghamian mountains and elsewhere may be connected with the cult of the sun, since the bulls drawing them and the surrounding other animals are nothing else than celestial bodies. In the art of the 3-rd millennium B. C. we find a multitude of carts and chariots drawn by oxen or bulls having stellar symbols on their fronts; the pictures of anthropomorphic solar deities and of war -chariots or carts were also common among the late bronze age and Urartian objects of art and worship. On one of the Urartian imprints is figuring a wonderful cart, over which is shining the sun; it is followed by the priest with his arms extended (or by the solar deity itself) and also by the fantastic griffin-goat offered to the sun and bearing a solar mark on its chest." http://www.iatp.am/ara/sites/hushardzanner...ut/index_6.html "The Armenian History Museum - The museum possesses a unique collection of ancient vehicles-carts and chariots-some of which are more than 3500 years old. Many of them are richly decorated with fine carvings." http://www.hyeetch.nareg.com.au/republic/tourism_p4.html "The pulling wagons or carts from the Armenia's State History museum, dating back to second millenium B.C. from digsite at Lchashen, near lake Sevan, oldest in its kind and extremely rare because of its relatively good condition and preservation." "The bronze parts of the chariot and the bronze tools, with which chariots were fashioned from mountain hardwoods, furnish words that embrace the smelting of metals. Petroglyphs, symbols marked on stone, found in the area from the Transcaucasus to upper Mesopotamia between the lakes Van and Urmia are the earliest pictures of horse-drawn chariots." "PETROGLYPHS (dating from the second or third millennium B.C.) provide archaeological corroboration of linguistic evidence that the Indo-Europeans had chariots. Wheeled vehicles, such as those drawn here, facilitated agriculture and the migrations that resulted from a growing hunger for land." http://www.armenianhighland.com/homeland/chronicle120.html "In the past sixty years, some scholars have suggested that the horse-drawn war chariot was developed or perfected in eastern Asia Minor (9). Built from native hardwoods and strengthened with metal alloys, this invention gave the local populations such a military advantage that they were easily able to subdue or control their neighbors, who fought as horseless infantry. In the view of a recent study, sometime in the second millennium B.C., bands of armed warriors, riding in horse-drawn chariots left eastern Asia Minor, eventually reaching Greece, the Levant, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Iran, and India (10)." http://rbedrosian.com/mythint.htm
  13. Hey bro not everything should be said in loud. Take it easy. We both know you are right in this case, but dont let them know about that. It is too much information for them to accept. :lol: ←
  14. Имя старово Армянсково племени.
  15. Jazzvaz, congrats bros. That is one beautiful White baby. We need more, everyone should have a couple of kids like that
  16. My understanding is intact, your responses were full of shit. Where are your facts? I shredded to tiny pieces and refuted every single line of your hogwash. Not to mention that you are the one who started with baseless insults out of fresh air and implications since you couldn't keep up supporting your stance, the difference is that mine were retaliatory and therefore justified. Now you are threatening me boy? I'll beat you to a bloody pulp if that's what you're asking for. One less sandnigger for all I care.
  17. You're the ignorant cretin throwing insults left and right while fabricating historical fairy tales as if just out of UofAnkara. Don't try to act like a little whining victim now. You aint got the cojones or the intelligence to respond. I'm not here to amuse you, i'll do what I please.
  18. Fine, i'm a fascist. I wasn't aware there is a doctorate program available such as Middle Eastern Cuisine Studies. Let me know which University provides such a course, I think I know some people who might be interested. We have also been "neighbours" for over 1000 years with other invaders such as nomadic savages from Altai. I'm not surprised that some folks like you have so much in common with Arabs and Turks.Not everyone is expected to be vigilant, if everyone was there would have never been a Genocide. If anything "Armenian" has something in common with filthy Semitic and Altaic crap than it's not Armenian. No there isn't No such thing as "Dorma". You're not thinking of Sarma by any chance are you :lol: Who cares about your Armenian writing or your speeches? We are talking about your understanding, or lack thereof to be precise of semitic and turkic garbage in the so called "Armenian" spoken in Middle Eastern shitholes. It's my God given right. There is no such thing as an Armenian with Middle Eastern roots. If you have Middle Eastern roots, be they genetic or cultural than you are not Armenian and never will be Armenian. There are however some pure Armenians who were born in the Middle East unfortunately because of tragic circumstances Elaborate. Hayk according to Khorenatsi? I prefer science, not mythology. If there was ever such a figure as Hayk, his tribe presumably as the one of Hayassa-Azzi in which case that is only one part of the many others within the Armenian ethnogenesis, so no. Apparently I know a lot more than you do. I was acquainted with several past members of ASALA before their assasinations in mid 90's within Armenia. I have no problems with their actions nor do I have anything against their agenda, besides the commie pinko stuff. An organization with a marxist or a socialist ideology doesn't have to be formed by Castro or Lenin, stop making a complete fool out of yourself before it's too late. So let me get this straight. If the Donmeh Jews within the Ottoman Empire and its offshoot the Young Turk party didn't orchestrate the Armenian Holocaust (the word Holocaust was created to describe what occured to the Armenians since people were massed and burned alive in Churches, barnes and their houses) between the late 19th and early 20th centuries while the Turks and Kurds carried it out you would be the Loyal Millet today? There is no such city as "istanbul", refer to it with its proper name. It appears that you require a lot more than schooling. usually juden and trukic sobs spout such utter bs about our brothers, trying to divide and conquer. Lies and slander from a sandnigger lover. Yes? You were saying? No doubt while wearing their turbans :lol: Every single major power in those days from Western Europe to the caliphate recognized the Kingdom. What's your point? For over three centuries those scum occupied Armenia, Armenians were weakened extremely and forced to pay heavy taxes not to mention the thousands of martyrs. The epic of David of Sassoun depicts the brutality of these primitive brown subhumans. My ancestors from my mothers side are Rshtounis, I'm not going to ignore the havoc they caused. Building many Churches makes one a power? I guess ROA is a superpower today :lol: There were NO 1000 Churches, they called it so because there were many Churches, more than in any other city. It's a symbolic name. Which Armenia? Bagratid Armenia? There were several Armenian Kingdoms, all fighting for power each trying to conquer the other. At that time Byzantium was an Armenian Empire controlled by an Armenian Dynasty, Armenian Nobility and an Armenian Army. Civil war comes to mind. Capital of Bagratid Armenia. So what? One Armenian Empire trying to conquer another Armenian's Kingdom. No surprise. Thousands of Armenians died on both sides. Ani was not destroyed. Greeks? What Greeks? They were the only oines at fault after ourselves. They were the ones who weakened Persia and let the slanty eyed gooks easily pass through. After 500 years. If the Arab occupation lasted that long who knows if there would have been any Armenians left to exterminate in the first place? Most likely not. We'd be just like the Assyrians or other natives peoples in Arab occupied lands. ARABS Are you on crack? Racial genocide as in the destruction of the Armenian racial makeup and genes. Look in the mirror. Try again. My whole freaking point is that it's not Armenian, you're saying it is yet you can't undertsand it. I wrote a sentence in the "Armenian" used daily by Diasporans with Middle Eastern origin. You didn't understand it! So according to your own logic you don't speak Armenian? Nope. Btw God bless Hitler. The most pro-Armenian leader in the world of the past century.
  19. In that case you have problems expressing your thougths in words. I don't have the time to decode your text. Sources? It is quite clear that what we are discussing here doesn't require any academic sources, it's common knowledge. We're not scrutinizing the diffusion of Indo-European languages or the Big Bang theory. Are you kidding me? What a joke. Empirical facts cannot be argued with and that is the reason why you didn't bother. You disagree because you are afraid and ashamed of the truth. Possible, but unlikely. That explains a lot. Somehow I think that what you consider Armenian is far from what I believe Armenian to be. The above line is fallacious along with half of your post. What's the significance of English in this context? I don't like any foreign influence; however, if there is any, it's fine if it is from a pure IE tongue in which case it's simply an evolution of the language. When it comes from the doggish guttural Arabic that's only good for cleaning your throat, it's a degradation of an already semi-functioning language that has very little in common with Armenian spoken in Armenian Kingdoms. That is a lie. Armenian and Arabic cuisine have absolutely nothing in common. I pity you if you think that lahmadjoun, humus, taboule and other Middle Eastern dishes are Armenian. I think you meant Dolma, Dolma is fine as it is an ancient Mediterranean dish, popular with our Greek brethren also. Btw i'd rather eat McDonalds than anything made by some carpet making towelhead. They speak what you think is Armenian. I'd prefer if they don't speak anything at all than the filth they think is Armenian. Just a wild guess but perhaps because they were Americans? Don't 90% of Armenian-Americans have Middle-Eastern roots? It's of little importance where that marxist organization was formed. It just happened so that Bourdjhamoudcis were large in numbers those days. Today it would have been somewhere else. You should have looked for a better word instead of irony because it made little sense. You're not a member of TARC by any chance are you? True. First and foremost I blame Armenians and those that call themselves Armenian. I thought I made that pretty clear. Problems? Is that how little you value your nations history? Are your grandchildren going to say historically we had problems with Turks several hundred years ago? Well it would take several pages to get this through your head, unfortunately I have little time to school you. Just read a history book and read carefully about the period between the 7th and 10th centuries. They were aiding the enemy of their enemy. They knew the significance of our presence in the lands they occupied(temporary). That occured under British and French allied supervision. Cultural and racial Genocide is worse than actual Genocide. I'm not refuting that. You don't understand Diasporan Armenian? Sounds awfully like an ad hominem but i'll disregard it. I couldn't care less if every single so called "iraqi" dropped dead tonight. They mean nothing to me. They are worthless. Regards
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