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Poezzhaite v blizhaishee voskresen'e v Manhattan na 2-nd Avenue ( II-aya Avenue) , tam zerkov' Surb Vartan . Vyhod v metro esli ne oshibayus' 34-aya Street . Zerkov' ochen' bol'shaya , tak chto uvidite tochno . A vprochem ona otkryta kazhdyj den' . Est' eshe v Brukline obshina bakinskih armyan , no seychas ya prosto ne znayu , suchestvuet li ona . V prinzipe armyan tam mnogo . Moi druz'ya zhili v Quince . Koroche budet ne trudno ne poteryat'sya . Ya sam ne v New-York e , no byl tam neskol'ko raz . Tak chto udachi Vam .

Rebyata , ya redko kogda chem-to nedovolen na etom saite . Da i seychas u menya net nikakih pretenzii k vam . A vot pol'zovateli nekotoryevedut sebya prosto po huliganski . Podozrevayu chto oni iz Az-na . Ya vas proshu esli eto vozmozhno propuskat' ves' ih kontingent cherez fil'tr . Nadeyus' armyane na ih saitah ne zanimayutsya podobnymi gadostyami dazhe v otmestku im . Imeyu vvidu poslednie dva dnya . Hotelos' by uznat' po vozmozhnosti konechno ih nastoyaschie imena ili adresa . I publikovat' ih na az-kih saitah . Est' esche kakie-to predlozheniya davaite obsudim . A voobsche zemlya kruglaya , da i u sebya doma oni ne v polnoi bezopasnosti ...

To ozzyoi : You don't get it . This is not an armenian notion about bargaining . This is universal standarts . For instance : if You step on somebody's toe , I guess , You would turn and apologise , regardless of this being that persons fault running under your feet or some other form of excuse . The main issue here , that You hurt someone intentionaly or not . All the rest of circumstances do not count . The same is happening in Armenian case . I personally don't care if it's British Petroleum with the rest of their British Empire , Jews with their issues , americans or russians with their "ideas" .... or any other cause . But they had very good ground to make from Turkey a murder -"scape goat" and that's were Turkey is right now . Turkey took all responsibilities for the rest of their friends and enemies to save the territory , to create the nation , with the promise to be forgiven ... But ... Haven't You never heard from your parents or older people not to get into bad company , who can use You , and make You a bad person ? And the same parents would give You another advise : to get away from those bad guys . So it is up to You to decide , what to do after all . About armenian fascist view point ... What can You ask from victim - "scape goat " or should You blame(question) even the most extreme armenian point without analysing and making a "Peace" within your own self . And at last : The all "mighty" United States cannot defeat those native inhabbitans of their own continent from both sides of the border , because the border itself is a virtual proof of somebody's dominance over the territory but not a real , otherwise they have to turn to fascism with their "minutemen" idea to mobilize the civilians to take a law into their hands ( very soon those militias will start lynching all or some of those "Illegal mexicans" ) . Do You see any parallel with Turkey ? Or not yet ...

To ozzyoi : the main thing , that turks don't want to understand ( or in my view understand very good ) - there is no point to bargain from armenian side . It is not a bazaar or any other kind of trade business . The civilized people must admit at whatever cost , that they did something bad . Your "kind" (excuse me , it is your way to show pressure on group of people , who disagree with you ) is trying very hard to explain to armenians about their "gravely mistakes" ... I don't think You have any right to use any word of this "kind" and tell us how much or how many mistakes we made . It is after all our problems . Turks on the other side don't have to wait for nobody to explain them their "mistakes" and I would even use word "failures" . It's their move now to become clean to their own national history and future too . I'm against any kind of pressure from anybody ( i.e. economical , political , military etc. ) . Because it becomes a "Bargain" , wich is unacceptable from the people of my "kind" . Very truly thank You for this opportunity to explain to turk a viewpoint of an armenian .

"Iranzem mozhesh' ty ni byt' , no Armyaninom byt' obyazan ... " .

Gde-to v konze 70-h ya kupil ochen' interesnuyu knizhku , avtor George McQuinn "Hetty i ih sovremenniki v Maloj Azii" . Tak vot tam ya vpervye uznal o suwestvovanii gos-va Azzi - Hayasa . T.e. eta gipoteza ne nova , ostaetsya svyazat' ee s drugimi versiyami kak-to .

I ne tol'ko gramMatichen ( tam dolzhno byt' dve bukvy M ) , no i artikulyaren s takimi besami kak ty . A voobsche naschet uchitelya russkogo yazyka ... net tebe on ne nuzhen , skoree dressirobschik russkogo yazyka podoidet .

Ara, pust' pishet da . Chelovek ne kazhdyj den' imeet vozmozhnost' po chelovecheski pogovorit' , pritom c lyud'mi . Ya ot ego postanovki mysli i sloga , ne to chto kaifuyu , torchu . Zaryadka na vsyu nedelyu . Rebyata , pozhalujsta ne ban'te etogo abreka . A to etot dialekt russkogo yazyka budet poteryan navsegda .

Znaete , eto kak v tom anekdote "Papa , kupi slona ..." , t.e. chto - by ni bylo skazano na etom ili drugom armyanskom saite , Vami ( v edinstvennom chisle , ne lyublyu obobschat' ) budet vosprinimat'sya odinakovo negativno . Kstati imeyu vvidu tol'ko vopros o Generale Dro . Ne vizhu smysla sporit' ni s kem , no dazhe General Vlasov uzhe pochti reabilitirovan v glazah mnogih russkih . Tak , chto g. Dro eto nikakoj ne fenomen , a skoree nuzhnaya "muha" (v rukah nechistoplotnyh pol'zovatelej armyanskih saitov ), iz kotoroj vsegda kogda nado mozho sdelat' "slona" , daby otvlech' uchastnikov etih forumov ot bolee produktivnoj diskussii . Ya by ignoriroval takih "pol'zovatelej" , pomechaya ih tekty flazhkom . Zamet'te ne teh kto vstupaet v diskussiyu , a teh kto hochet ....."kupit' slona" .

A Vy pochtennaya ne stanovites' v pozu oskorblennoi . I davaite bez isterik. Pochitaite , podumaite , tol'ko bez pomoschi so storony , a sami ... esli eto vozmozhno . Nu a potom vyskazhete Svoe , nadeyus' , mnenie po voprosam Etiki i Morali dlya Armyan . Znaete "tovarish' Dro" vam milaya tovarischem nikogda i ne byl . Skoree gospodin Dro , a vot my , ostal'nye uchastniki etogo foruma , byli . No okazyvaetsya , k sozhaleniyu byli ... I poslednee , temu dlya sebya sozdavaite sami , idite v biblioteku ili esche kuda , nahodite knigi , stat'i , izuchaite ih (tol'ko bez pomoschi izvne ) , a esli vse zhe voznikayut voprosy , milosti prosim , prihodite i sprashivaite , no bez obvinenij , a kak nachinayuschij student . A to Vy bol'she smahivaete sejchas na otpryska kakogo-to "russkogo alkasha" ili "evreiskogo paganza" , pro kotoryh Vam ne ochen' priyatno slyshat' ...

Interesno , a ty dorogoi chital "Ispanskuyu Balladu" Liona Feichtvangera ili slyshal pro "Jidishe Polizei" . Zamet' raznye epohi i raznye "bratskie" narody okruzhali "Bogom izbrannyh" . A ty vse norovish' nam armyanam ob'yasnit' chto turki nam na pol'zu . Vot i ya nadeyus' , chto i s nemzami ( a ashke-nazi po moim skromnym predstavleniyam dazhe i ne dvoyurodnye brat'ya ) i s dvoyurodnymi brat'yami - arabami u vas budet takaya druzhba , chto my nedalekie u vas i pouchimsya kak iz svoego liza sdelat' bakinskij asfal't ili kak govorili esche v Baku "PODOSH" . Da , kstati v Germaniyu immigriruet evreev bol'she chem v USA . A v Izrail' vy i vovse ne hoteli ehat' , druzhit' s bratom Yasserom . Podumai i ... povessya neschastnyj .

Uzh ochen' kulturnie bolel'shiki ... Kak oni otreagirovali zivilizovanno na reakziyu trenera , na meste kotorogo , ya b navernoe podralsya s igrokami sobstvennoi komandy...

David , a kak zhe naschet Edgara Manucharyana ? on ewe igraet v Punike ? Ved' po - moemu ego priglasili v Ayax . Spasibo za otvet .

Apres ! A ya voobshe nikogda ne dumal chto budu tak bolet' za CSKA , kak-budto ARARAT igral ...

Zhdem utra , no activno... Tvoe predlozhenie ochen' polezno (spasibo) , no chut' zapozdalo ... Verchi chors ankam et knopken es em oktagorzel' Seychas u nas 1:30 utra ili nochi do 2-h rabotayu , a potom baen'ki do 5-ti ( v 5:50 vyezzhayu na rabotu ) . Spasibo ewe raz .

Po lyubomu , ni odin iz nas ne imeet prava ne reagirovat' na lyuboj sluchaj ispol'zovaniya Armyanskogo Voprosa v svoih zelyah , kakoj libo gruppoj lyudej , starayushihsya diskreditirovat' Armyan ili Armeniyu v zelom . Na lyubom saite , TV programme , gazete da i voobshe gde by to ni bylo kazhdyj armyanin , v silu svoih vozmozhnostej dolzhen chto-to delat' poleznoe . Kstati v etom i zel' nashej stranichki (po moemu ) . Esli est' kakie ewe linki na saity , druz'ya proshu vysylat' . Spasibo bvahan i David-mavid , progolosoval s kazhdogo iz vashih linkov . K utru my ih tochno peregonim .

Radio programma , transliruyushaya na bolee chem 200 radiostanzii v USA , "Democracy Now" , vedushaya Amy Goodman , peredavala zelyh 30 minut interv'yu s Peterom Balakianom ( avtor knigi "Burning Tigris" , estestvenno o Genozide) i Zanku Armenianom iz ARF . Eto bylo 22-go Aprelya , v pyatnizu , t.k. eta programma transliruetsya tol'ko v rabochie dni . Nadeyus' v etom est' i moya zasluga . Delo v tom , chto ya poslal im ideyu o podgotovke peredachi o Genozide Armyan mesyaza 2-3 nazad , nu i do bavil v sleduyushem poslanii o polnom ignore v americanskoj presse etogo voprosa . Dumayu , srabotalo... Estestvenno , posle peredachi e-mailom ya poblagodaril vedushih za etu peredachu . Kstati website programmy www.democracynow.org ochen' interesnaya . Postarayus' v dal'nejshem byt' aktivnee v nashem voprose so SMI Ameriki , a voobshe budu kooperirovat' so vsemi armyanskimi organizaciyami ( Armenian National Congress of America - ANCA , Armenian Assembly of America -AAA i vseh kogo najdu ) . Oni ochen' organizovanny i kooperiruyut drug s drugom , tak chto mozhno chego-to dobit'sya edinnym frontom . Vsem uspehov druz'ya . P.S. bylo by neploho davat' ssylki i na saite Hayastan.com kak u nih "action alert" , prizyv k deistviyu po lyubomu voprosu kasayushemusya Armyan ili Armenii . Kak vy dumaete ?

Po-moemu , to chto kazhdyj turok dolzhen znat' ob otvetstvennosti za Genozid ( kollektivnaya otvetstvennost' ) - ne menee vazhnaya zadacha , chem otvet pravitel'stva Turzii , a mozhet i bolee ...

Chestno govorya , ya bi i ne otvetil tebe , ved' mne prosto ochen' hotelos' prinyat' uchastie v disskussii po futbol'nim voprosam , no ty chto-to agressivno nastroen ... mozhet tvoi lyubimyj klub proigral ili ewe chto sluchilos' . Zvety podari svoej podruge , ili ewe komu drugomu . Ya ne budu tebe bolshe otvechat' , i tebe sovetuyu ne byt' takim agressivnym , ved' eto sportivnaya stranichka ...

Izvini , rodnoj , no i ya ne tebe otvechal , a prosto razmyshlyal vsluch .

Vvel avatar , po moemu poluchilos' .

Da , k sozhaleniyu ... No vse zhe tak hochetsya snova imet' komandu "Ararat" , bez vsyakih pristavok ( Lernain , Lernagorz ) . Ne znayu , kto dogadalsya , no neskol'ko let nazad slyushal versiyu Ararat- Zement, nu eto voobshe . A v obshem , pust' budet sponsor ili hozyain ili neskol'ko hozyaev , no dobavlyat' k nazvaniyu kluba pristavki , eto neetichno i na samom dele popahivaet cementom ili dazhe betonom ( huzhanstvom ) . Koroche , "ARARAT" i vse vsjo ponyali . Mozno zhe hotya by referendum provesti ?

Mne kazhetsya , chto dlya opredeleniya nastoyaschego i EDINSTVENNOGO kluba ARARAT , dolzhny sobrat'sya vse byvshie igroki togo , Zolotogo sostava i vsego "sovetskogo" perioda kluba na s'ezd kluba Ararat , i provesti chto-to vrode "konklava" po vyboru novogo Papy Rimskogo , t.e. na zakrytom golosovanii , bez vsyakogo davleniya izvne . Est' tol'ko odno "NO" , a imenno : spirtnye napitki na konklav ne dopuskat' . Nu , a "ARARAT" byl , est' i budet glavnym simvolom Armyanskogo futbola .

Istinu glagolesh' , Brat moi !!! Amin' tvoiv slovam . A to pognalis' za "inomarkami" , a oni ili deneg stoyat ili pokupat' ne stoit . Koroche govorya , tol'ko svoi trener mozhet pomoch' ot dushi .

Rebyata , esli vy tak reshili poshutit' 1-go Aprelya , to zavtra u sbornoj Armenii budet na odnogo bolel'shika men'she : ya v predinfarktnom sostoyanii .