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Название треда неудачное. It seems to inadverently lend undue weight to the significance of recognition by Israel. Which, in part, is the fault of some of the dopes on the Armenian side for having elevated Israel to that position. (Personally, I could give sweaty mule balls whether or not they recognize.) As for their fellow tribesmen in America (ADL, AJC, Simon Wiesenthal Center and all the rest of that kosher brigade) , those aren't players but spoilers who merely follow marching orders from Tel-Aviv.

Видимо турецкий dog and pony show наконец закончился. Relations with Israel are valuable for Turkey and it is important they remain strong, Turkish President Abdullah Gül said yesterday. "Relations between Turkey and Israel are very important and we value them highly. The strong character of the relations will make the greatest contribution for peace to prevail," Gül said at a press briefing before his departure from Brussels. остальное тут

"Восстановление" подразумевает прецедент наличия конституционного порядка и законности в прошлом. Когда в Армении в последний раз существовали независимые суды, профессиональные СМИ свободные от прессинга исполнительной власти, адекватно огранизованные выборы которые отражают сентимент электората ?

Итак за 15 лет переговорного процесса МИД Армении доторговался до эвакуации сил самообороны НКР из буферной зоны и возвращения ялбанской "общины" в Карабах. В обмен на это армянской стороне обещано чувство доверия со стороны Ильюши А. Все это в итоге войны в которой Азербайджан обосрал чуть ли не все штаны которые только мог обосрать.

Очередное бла-бла-бла. А ялбанцев виагрой не корми, только заикнись про 20 пирасентов™ которые им на подносе принесет Брайза М. - так у них от волнения уже палатка в штанах...

Интересно когда Акопыч имел в Ереване tet-a-tet с турецким жопшником по имени Barry Jacobs из American Jewish Committee, он у того не спросил почему в США еврейские трайбл активисты уже 30 лет как работают в упряжке с турками саботируя принятие резолюции по признанию геноцида ?

Despite a serious strain in relations with Turkey as a result of harsh Turkish criticism of Operation Cast Lead, Israel has not changed its policy on the question of whether the killing in the early 20th century of some 1.5 million Armenians should be characterized as genocide. "Our position on this has not changed," one senior Israeli diplomatic official told The Jerusalem Post. The diplomatic official said that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's vicious criticism of the IDF's actions in Gaza had not altered Israel's position on the Armenian genocide issue. Israel's position on this is important, because it impacts the position of major American Jewish organizations which in the past have helped Turkey lobby against the legislation in Congress to declare the event a genocide. American Jewish leaders insist that "the relationships between Turkey, Israel and the United States remain very important," said Conference of Presidents executive vice chairman Malcolm Hoenlein. "Our position hasn't changed," added Jess Hordes, head of the Anti-Defamation League's Washington office. The position currently states that that a congressional resolution on the issue would be "counterproductive." While the ADL has labeled what happened to the Armenians a genocide, Hordes noted, "this issue is best handled by the parties themselves" rather than by Congress. остальное тут

Пусть всегда будет солнце, Пусть всегда будет небо, Пусть всегда будет Алиев

Азербайджане в торжественной обстановке были открыты сразу нескольких предприятий, выпускающих продукцию оборонного назначения. Этой сфере официальный Баку придает особое значение. Не случайно президент страны и главнокомандующий вооруженными силами Азербайджана Ильхам Алиев принял участие в церемонии открытия этих объектов – заводов «Радиогурашдырма» ПО «Джихаз» («Прибор») и электронно-вычислительных машин (ЭВМ), а также Научно-исследовательского института Министерства оборонной промышленности. остальное тут

You got your propaganda angles all mixed up, detective. Armtoday posted a piece with mistranslated line from '08 HR report after which proceeded to take a jab @ Nlbo. versus what it actually said So that would suggest one of two things: A. They were too dumb to tackle a simple sentence. B. They merely were parroting somebody else's (deliberate ? ) mistranslation. As far as ethnic Armenian forces being in control of Karabakh proper and surrounding regions - that line had been in use for the last 15 years. For that is a factual statement. (Unless they've been replaced by martians, of which I'm unaware.) Nor do I recall much brouhaha over it on the Armenian side.

Ещё немного, ещё чуть чуть и армянские журналисты будут сoревноваться по профессионализму с чукотскими нейрохирургами. Для тех у кого есть время читать весь текст

Прямо как во времена когда Грзо и Ко. чуть ли не за спасибо прихватывали госактивы. Вспоминаю годы аодовского безвременья когда в одном из городов на севере Армении молокозавод ушел с "аукциона" за - кхе, кхе - 7 (семь) тысяч долларов. И это только макушка айсберга. А сейчас финансист аодовского реванша Грзо видите ли супер-пупер борец за справедливость во всём и вся ! Что-то вроде Ким Гардашян выпускающей образовательный плакат на тему необходимости сохранения целки до брачной ночи.

Недаром его в народе кличат - Телевиц

Между тем некоторые "стратеги" уже планируют интегрировать амшенских армян с их yalancı dolma, tavuk gögsü, baklali enginar и языком-коктейлем из турецкого языка и трабизунского диалекта. Вы думаете сейчас весело ? Вы ещё весело даже не видели.

Я до "революционной поры" концы 20 столетия, в Ереване знал пару/тройку карабахских. Кто-то из них перебрался в 60-х, кто-то в 70-х годах. Никаких неординарно-отличных склонностей у них не замечал. И вообще - вроде 2 ноги, 2 руки, голова. Всё как у всех. В то же самое время знал нескольких членов "ленинаканского клана". Из высше-средней прослойки общества. Пока у 7/8 петов той поры был зачуханный 24-й, их падават мекена уже был юха врен 31-й. Говорю это для ориентира какого калибра люди были. При всем при том никто не заикался про "ленинаканский клан", "понаехали тут" и т.д. Ещё знал в районе Комитаса мужика из иранских чья семья попала в Ереван после ВОВ. Все его братья и сестры переженились с другими ахпарами. Когда он уезжал из Страны Советов в отпуск и привозил фотографии было ощущение когда будто смотришь Клуб Путешествий. Лос, Фрезно, Лас-Вегас, Нью-Йорк, Вашингтон, Монреаль, Париж, Марсель. У него везде была родня. Опять же, никаких разговоров про "ахпарскую клановость" не было. Интересно, правда ?

А в чем "кричащие" отличия между карабахскими и "аборигенными" армянами, если не секрет ?

Слушают в прокуратуре © Три-четыре поста назад я вешал ссылку на переводник для "широко используемых" языков.

At a program last year for educators hosted by the American Jewish Committee in Berlin, teachers said they need help countering pervasive conspiracy theories about Jews among Muslim youth. Aycan Demirel, founder of the Kreuzberg Initiative Against Anti-Semitism in Berlin, says he often encounters "competition for the victim status" among Muslim youth. "They ask, ' Why can't we focus on my history?' But that does not necessarily turn into anti-Semitism," he said. Demirel, who is Turkishborn, says Muslim youths find him credible because of his immigrant background. For Staav Meier, it didn't. When classmates in her ethnically diverse Berlin school asked about her unusual first name, she told them it was Hebrew. "Suddenly I had no more friends," recalls Meier, sitting in the library of Berlin's Jewish high school, where she transferred two years ago. Muslim boys and girls "waited after school for me and called me a 's**t Jew,'" she said. "Every time something happened in the Middle East, it got worse. One girl had lost someone in her family in the Lebanon war and she punched me." Such problems are familiar to Barbara Witting, principal of the Jewish high school. Once, when students were returning from a Kristallnacht commemoration, a group of Muslim students from another school harassed them, calling them "dirty Jews." The Jews "were just like you, children with their own families and identity," Gryglewski told them. "And then came the Nazis." Some Jews managed to get out of Germany, but many did not, she explained. In the end, "this is all that was left of many of them," Gryglewski said, showing them a large photo of victims' shoes from Auschwitz. The students leaned in for a better look. "I used to curse the Jews, and I won't do it anymore," one student, Yasemin, 15, said during a break. "I used to say Jews are s**t because they hate Muslims. But now I understand better. And now I hate the Nazis." остальное тут

With all due respect to the numerous Jewish-born humanists, historians, writers, individual personalities, Chief Rabbi, Yona Metzger and many other that have had the courage to take a stand for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide and justice for this crime, it is none the less obvious that the official representatives of Judaism and above all Jewish/Israeli politicians still have a lot to catch up on. The Republic of Turkey has denied the Armenian Genocide for the past 84 years, and politicians in Israel and a vast majority of officials of Jewish Diaspora are aboard their boat now. In the USA, for example, the Jewish Anti-Defamation League (ADL) not only denied the Armenian Genocide in the past but also actively fought against the Congressional Resolution for the Recognition of the Armenian Genocide. At the end of August 2007, the ADL finally recognized the Armenian Genocide through gritted teeth. The acknowledgment given, however, was qualified to such an extent that one could have done without it. A similar statement of recognition was also simultaneously supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Presently, the AIPAC totally denies to have ever fought against the official recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the US government and now presents itself as being neutral in regard to the subject. (And apparently "neutral" is just what they are.) Pierre Besnainou, the acting president of the European Jewish Congress (EJC) until early 2007, stated in 2006 that the Armenian people should stop making fools of themselves: there has been only one genocide in modern times and as everyone knows it was that of the Jews - an Armenian Genocide never happened. (We have yet to see what the attitude of Moshe Kantor, the current president of the EJC, is in this regard.) In 2001, while he was the Israeli Foreign Minister, Nobel Prize winner and current President of Israel Shimon Peres described the Armenians as "meaningless" ("Armenian allegations") Moreover, this year President Shimon Peres and the current Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni did a heroic act that in no way pales to the statements regarding the Holocaust expressed by the President Ahmadinejad: Peres affirmed Israel's attitude to the "Armenian Question" and promised the Turkish Prime Minster Erdogan to lobby against the Armenians, while Minster Livni prevented the Knesset from officially recognizing the Armenian Genocide. The statement given: "Genocide never happened. There was a "tragedy" with victims on both sides. Please reconcile yourselves now and start a dialog." Once again, a replay of the Turkish argument of shameless denial by a Israeli official: "There were mutual killings and No mass Killings." Just recently Israeli President Shimon Peres let himself be vocally celebrated by hundreds of Genocide deniers in the Turkish Parliament, including numerous Turkish fascists, racists, ultra-nationalists and fundamentalists. In Ankara, President Shimon Peres reiterated his support for the denial of the Armenian Genocide and conveyed his full acceptance of the Turkish politics of lies and denial. But it cannot escape the notice of an experienced politician like President Shimon Peres that the Genocide deniers in Ankara are no longer simply satisfied with the repudiation of the Armenian Genocide. Turkish Prime Minster Erdogan and the other Turkish nationalists have long since joined forces to create Pan Turanic - "Pan Turkish"- institutions with the specific aim of trying to prove the 'illegality' of the existence of the Armenian people to the world. Why Do Jewish Organizations and their Functionaries Deny the Armenian Genocide as Turkey Does Deny recognition and Justice for this Crime? How can this act of denial be harmonious with the Jewish moral concepts and identity in light of the xenophobia, racism, Anti-Semitism, hostility and intolerance that the sorely tested Jewish People are themselves confronted with on a daily basis? Genocide is racism: it is the most paramount and aggressive form of racial discrimination, and is aimed at the obliteration of the existence and life of a people only because they belong to a specific community or collective - a community that is defined by the aggressors as "the others," as "the alien." Two reasons are commonly given for the "placating" activities of the international Jewish community in regard to Turkey's denial policies: Israel needs Turkey, and the Holocaust is unique. On occasion a third reason is also offered: to do otherwise would result in repercussions against the Jewish community in Istanbul. (Although if this were true, the US Congress and Senate could never pass any resolutions against Iran: as is well known, numerous Jewish people also live in Tehran, Yazd, and Isfahan for centuries!) Statements such as those are, in the end, nothing but hollow attempts to justify denial. The attitude of Jewish Organizations and their functionaries in regard to the Armenian Genocide not only results in their involvement in the guilt of the perpetrators but also produces a culpability of their own as well. An attitude such as theirs supports and perpetuates the bogeyman image of the Armenians that has long been cherished by the Turks while simultaneously strengthening the Turkish nationalistic self-image. Above and beyond this, when Jewish functionaries describe the Ottoman Turkey as a paradise of earth, they both distort history and negate the inhumanities experienced by the Armenian as other Non Turkish People; instead, an unmerited image of a heroic and pro-Judaic Turkey is propagated throughout Jewish communities and private homes. The Enemy of My Friend is also My Enemy. Is the demonization of the Armenian Community within the Jewish Diaspora done with this concept in mind? Some examples among others: In July 2007 an article was published in the "Juedische Zeitung" ("Jewish Newspaper") in Germany which totally supported and serviced the policies of genocide denial and victim-perpetrator-reversal as practiced alla Turca. The "Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs" published in November this year in its webpage an article written by Ms. Aydan Kodaloglu, an advisor to the former Turkish President Turgut Özal; in her article, Kodaoglu attempted to make the denial of the Armenian Genocide (even more) palatable for the Jewish and Israeli population. (Ironically enough, according to Nüzhet Kandemir, the former Turkish ambassador to the USA, President Turgut Ozal was himself on the brink of recognizing the Armenian Genocide.) In turn, in the Jerusalem Post Joel J. Sprayregen (the former National Vice-Chair of the ADL and a member of the Executive Committee of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA)) took the Armenian resistance during the Genocide to justify denial alla Turca - "There was no genocide" - he was referring to history fakers - despite the fact that he must be fully aware that one could easily reinterpret reality and deny the Jewish Holocaust through the misrepresentation of the Warsaw Uprising, the Theresienstadt- deportation camp, the "sale" and departure of the Jews to Switzerland during the Holocaust , existence of Jewish units in the British Army (traditional foe of Germany during WW) , struggle of Jewish for a "Jewish State", and survival of millions of Jews people ... Mr. Lenny Ben-David, former undersecretary at the Israeli Embassy in the US and an adviser for five years to the Turkish embassy in Washington, until earlier this summer, in his article published in the Oct. 5 issue of the Jerusalem Post, titled "Turkey and Armenia: What Jews should do," Not only denied the Armenian Genocide and creates hysteria and Armenophobe but in his article he gives a lot of credit to the fabrication of Turkish and Azeri nationalists and fascists. This is again not a hidden fact even for this politician that the aim of Turkish fabrications against Armenians in the next step includes: suggesting removing Armenia from the maps, as a people and country which doesn't exist... If you assume an Armenian student from Jerusalem will be allowed in an official ceremony in Israel to refer to the Armenian Genocide, you are mistaken. This shouldn't come to you as a surprise either; in Istanbul the remaining Armenian children from "Western Armenia" (After Genocide renamed to "Eastern Anatolia") are forced to write essays how their ancestors committed "genocide against Turks" (This is just distressful, nauseating, sadistic and perverse.) A question that might arise when reading this text is why do I only write about the Jewish Community and Israeli politicians? Well, this is due to the following fact: aside from the Turks themselves, Israeli politicians and the Jewish Diaspora are the only ones that go beyond the "simple" denial of the Armenian Genocide (and denial of Turkish genocides against other Christian people, e.g. The Assyrian Genocide) to both aggressively practice a virulent policy of denial and likewise try to inspire others to do the same. For example, the unprecedented dedication with which Shimon Peres supported the "fight" against the Armenian Resolution in the US Congress while Bill Clinton was still president. The relationship between the Jewish People and the Turkish side is based on lies and the denial of the Armenian Genocide - the denial of the 1.5 million Armenians that died by the hands of the Ottoman Turkey from 1915-1923. It is a relationship that is based on criminal complicity in hushing up a horrific transgression against humanity and one that totally disregards all concepts of moral and justice. Namik Tan, the Turkish Ambassador to Israel, described this relationship in September 2007: "The Turkish People make no differentiation between Israel and the Jews of the world. To us, you are all one. We have no pact with Israel, but rather with the whole Jewish world. If the Jewish lobby disappears, Israel loses its importance to us. Therefore, Israel takes the responsibility when a Jewish organization speaks of Genocide." (Jerusalem Post, 2007) остальное тут

Азиатский банк развития может финансировать подготовку ТЭО проекта железной дороги Иран-Армения Азиатский банк развития (АБР) готовится финансировать подготовку технико-экономического обоснования (ТЭО) проекта железной дороги Иран-Армения. Об этом заявил журналистам на пресс-конференции министр транспорта и связи Армении Гурген Саркисян. По его словам, исследования, необходимые для подготовки ТЭО, еще не проводятся, но могут начаться до конца 2009 года. Согласно министру, переговоры об участии в проекте ведутся с иранской и российской сторонами, а также с Всемирным банком и АБР. "Однако все эти обсуждения станут более конкретными, когда будет внесена ясность в вопросы стоимости и объема предполагаемых работ". Напомним, что железнодорожная связь Армении с внешним миром осуществляется через территорию Грузии. Связь с Азербайджаном и Турцией не действует из-за блокады границ Армении. ссылка

Об этом сообщил журналистам премьер-министр Армении Тигран Саркисян. "Из 13 предложенных вариантов был выбран один, который начинается в Мегри и идет в направлении Севана", - сказал премьер. Т.Саркисян отметил, что прошли обсуждения с руководством соответствующих подразделений Азиатского банка развития, которые готовы выделить средства для проведения новых технико-экономических исследований, передает АРКА. Железная дорога Иран-Армения позволит Армении пользоваться альтернативным путем транспортировки энергоресурсов и других товаров, получив выход на внешний мир. В настоящее время железнодорожные коммуникации Армении с зарубежными странами обеспечиваются только через территорию Грузии. По предварительным данным, инвестиции в строительство железнодорожного сообщения Иран-Армения составят 2 млрд долл. Интерес к проекту строительства железной дороги Иран-Армения проявляют Всемирный банк и Азиатский банк развития. ссылка

Турция в ближайшее время разблокирует границу с Арменией, которую в одностороннем порядке закрыла в 1993 году в знак солидарности с Азербайджаном. Переговоры между Анкарой и Ереваном вошли в финальную стадию, и событие может произойти после 29 марта, когда в Турции состоятся выборы в местные органы власти. Об этом во вторник со ссылкой на ряд источников, в том числе на депутата от правящей Партии справедливости и развития Турции Шукру Элекдаха, сообщило ереванское издание «Терт» («Газета»). В МИД Армении частично подтвердили «НГ» информацию, заявив, что за последние полгода министры иностранных дел двух стран встретились 10 раз. Представитель МИДа Тигран Балаян не назвал «НГ» точных сроков деблокации границы, заметив: «Отношения должны быть нормализованы, что означает установление дипотношений и открытие границ без предварительных условий». «Отношения Турции с Арменией находятся на пути к улучшению... Наши проблемы менее серьезны, чем между Арменией и Азербайджаном», – сказал во вторник газете Zaman глава МИД Турции Али Бабаджан. Это заявление знаменательно тем, что, пожалуй, впервые представитель Анкары дифференцировал армяно-турецкие и армяно-азербайджанские проблемы. До сих пор Турция для нормализации отношений предъявляла два увязанных условия: Армения прекращает кампанию по международному признанию геноцида в 1915 году и освобождает оккупированные районы Азербайджана. Официально Анкара требования не отзывала, но смягченная риторика, безнаказанные в отличие от прошлых лет акции турецкой интеллигенции по признанию геноцида армян наводят на предположение, что стороны нащупали взаимоприемлемый вариант. остальное тут

The Caucasus state, a supplier of oil and gas to Europe from the Caspian Sea, is set to face plunging revenues this year as oil prices languish below $50 a barrel compared to nearly $150 last summer. The rainy-day state oil fund gives the former Soviet republic a cushion against weak oil prices but officials say a budget revision is possible in May-June as the main financial document was based on a price of $70 per barrel versus $44 now. The fund is forecast to receive $10.5 billion in 2009 based on an average price per barrel of $70, compared with $14.9 billion in 2008. "The oil fund assets are going to be depleted while the fund itself is not being replenished this year," said Ana Jelenkovic, an analyst with London-based Eurasia Group. "What that means is that Azerbaijan is going to face a more difficult time, perhaps not in 2009 but in 2010, depending on how much the (economic growth) is forced to (slow), how long the oil price remains depressed." The country's Manat currency is holding its ground against the dollar but pressure on authorities is growing to follow the path of Kazakhstan and Russia and weaken the exchange rate to cope with lower oil prices. "It's possible we'll see the Manat devalue after the referendum," said a senior Western diplomat. The construction sector, a rare boom-business during the bull market for oil, is feeling the pinch. Baku high-rises built on the basis of future sales are seeing demand decline and some large projects have ground to a halt. The economy is also suffering from lower remittances from Azeris working in Russia, which is sliding into its first recession in 10 years. The number of Azeris working in Russia is estimated at between 900,000 and 2 million. Individuals sent $1.06 billion in 2008 from Russia to Azerbaijan, Russian central bank data shows. It does not give quarterly breakdowns by country, but overall transfers from Russia shrank 24 percent in the fourth quarter. The fall in money being sent home will be felt most in the provinces, the traditional destination for remittances, and the scope for budget support will be also limited. Last month, Baku slashed its annual oil output forecast by a fifth to 45 million tonnes due to problems at a BP-led (BP.L) Caspian project. This could mark the first year of flat production after a decade of growth, which saw output rising five-fold, and could force authorities to further cut economic growth targets. остальное тут

The Nabucco gas pipeline has been demoted from a list of projects to be financed by a 5 billion-euro European Union stimulus plan after a meeting of the bloc's foreign ministers Monday, Euractiv reported yesterday. EU officials confirmed to Euractiv that the pipeline, considered a flagship EU venture, had disappeared from the list of energy projects to be financed under the plan. The move was apparently made at the request of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who insisted that no public money should be spent on a project in which Berlin has little interest, despite the fact that German RWE is also in the Nabucco consortium. German Chancellor Angela Merkel recently confirmed her country's opposition to funding the Nabucco project with European money, stressing that the problem is not financing but finding gas to feed the pipeline. остальное тут

An obstacle to a planned visit by Foreign Minister Ali Babacan to Yerevan for a foreign ministerial meeting of Black Sea countries is another landmark meeting on Pakistan -- with which Turkey shares special relations -- that will be held in Japan on the same days. However, a donors conference aimed at bringing stability to Pakistan will be held in Tokyo on April 17. Babacan is eager to participate in the conference on Pakistan, a frontline US ally in the campaign against the Taliban and al-Qaeda extremists that has been wracked by growing violence and economic instability, due to the importance attached to the maintenance of stability in this country. Currently, the scheduling of the two meetings in Yerevan and Tokyo seems to hinder Babacan's participation in both of the meetings. Nonetheless, diplomatic sources didn't exclude his participation in either, saying the minister would make his final decision "according to the situation" in the last week before the meetings. Although Ankara has a high opinion of BSEC and wants to revitalize it as an influential regional consultation mechanism, Babacan's participation in the group's next meeting in Yerevan apparently will still depend on Armenia's commitment to the ongoing rapprochement process and on the progress of closed-door talks with Armenia. остальное тут