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Astvays ta mer hogevorakanneri apaga serundy lini shat qaj u usyal u karoxana es mexavor mardkants dardzi berel u parz qristoneakan imastutyunner@ mtcnel mer hayeri glxi mej...

ethe du xoses usyal hogevorakani het, apa na yerbeq chi phorci qez hamozel, vor matax@ chi hakasum qristoneutyany. irakanum mer usyal hayrer@ da shat lav haskanum en, bayc chen hamardzakvum zhoxovrdin dem durs gal. ethe mi or mer ekexecin hrazharvi matax hovanavoreluts, mardik kasen, vor ekexecin Ehovayi vka e dardzel. Dra hamar el shat karevor e vor ekeghecu hot@ gitakic lini isk da Hayastani paymannerum shat dzhvar e patkeracnel, qano vor mardkayin kapital@ shat qich e, u shat mets e mer masin mer sepakan kartsiqy ethe ancyalum mardik angraget en exel u lsel en usyalnerin, hima mardik eli angraget en, bayc chen lsum usyalnerin, vorovhetev irents Lenin paiky u Staliny xabel en vor du arden bolorits el graget es u sovorelu ban chunes

Zohaberutyun exel e bolor zhamanaknerum, yes xosum em konkret mer meg taratsvats sovorutyan masin. Kartsiq ka, vor da voch the mer hethanosakan ancyali ardyunq e, ayl en hangamanqi, vor menq xarnvel en anhavat shneri het, hatkapes arabneri u thurqeri. nayir, minchev Qristoneutyuny bolor azgern el unecel en zohaberutyun. bayc Dardzic heto bolori mot veracel e. karox e qez thvum e, vor hayery aveli hethanos ein qan huynery u dra hamar el menq ed sovoruyty chkaroxacanq moranal?

henc vor azgovi dardzi ganq, matax@ kverana aysor hay azgy heru e Qristoneutyunic islamakan sovoruytner, komunistakan anhavatutyan, angragitutyun, tgituyun, pharasirutyan... ay sranq en bnuthagrum mez aysor mez havat e petq, iskakan Qristoneakan havatq, mer araqelakan ekexecin petq e hzoracnel, ognel, vor na darna theladrox uzh, voch the lini paymanakanutyunneri geri. Dra hamar bolors piti ognenq surb ekexecun inchov vor karox enq, vor mi gexecik or ekexecin ir xosqy asi, u duq imanaq vor irakanum mataxy kap chuni Qristoneutyan het...

Shalapunka du inchi vra himnvelov es asum, vor Grigor Lusavorichn e matax@ "himnadrel" ?

Jhoxovurd Matax@ voch miayn naxa-qristoneakan sovorutyun e, ayl nayev islamakan. Cavoq srti menq ays ameny chenq haskanum. Mataxy hayastanum shat taratsvats chi exel 5-7 darerum, vorovheteve iskakan qristoneakan havatqum mataxy tex chuni. Bayc arabneri galuts heto mtel e zhoxovrdi meg, isk axqat ekexecin dranits ogut e stacel. Mataxy aysor hamarvum e islamakan sovoruyt u shat hnaravor e, vor mer mot da mtel e henc islamakan ashxarhits. cavoq mer ekexecin shat konformistakan e exel, u hatkapes osmanakan tirapetutyan zhamanak dem chi kangnel shat u shat islamakn sovoruytneri amrapndmany hayoc meg.

slushay, ti sebya stal uzhe volnosti pazvalyat. kto tebya dal pravo iskazhat moy nick? i kto tebe dal prava upatreblyat takiye slava, kagda gavarish a mayix postax? paluchayesh moy "ignore and disregard'. period.

istina 1. separatisti, eto ne criminal, u vas ochen silna pamyat a sovetskoy propagande, eto tolko dlya sovetov separatism bil criminal istina 2. akupanti eto ne abyazatelno agresori, ya magu akupirovat tvayu stranu za to chto on nachal vaynu protiv menya, tagda agresor eto ti, a ya tolko akupant istina 3. tvaya miravaya abshestvennost, v lice USA uzhe 10-iy god pomosh predastavlyayet Karabaxu, a yevo president Ghukasyan kazhdiy god 3 raza yezdit v USA na 'ne-aficialniye" vstrechi. i yeshyo, v Washington D.C. uzhe 8-oy god kak deystvuyet predstavitelstvo NK i nikto tam ix ne abizhayet. i yeshyo, kazhdiy god pa vsey Amerike armyani dengi sabirayut dlya NK dlya straitelstvo darog (darogi v NK samiye luchshiye v Yuzhnom Kavkaze, according to CIA) i etot Telethon asveshayetsya i reklamiruyetsya pa Amerikanskim TV-kanalmi. I yeshyo, idi svayu Zerkalu (www.zerkalo.az) prachitay, vcherashniy nomer naverno, i uznayesh kakaya bila aficialnaya paziciya USA pa etomu vaprosu istina 4. KN boleye demokratichen chem Azerbaijan i eto priznayotsyan vsemi expertam, ssilku na Freedomhouse ya tebe uzhe dal i yeshyo, at tebya ne panadobitsya atvetit na moy post. chestno gavarya ya ne xachu chtob ti mne atvetil. na moyu prosbu ne nazivat Ghukasyan pa tyurkskiy (to ist banditom) ti atvetil atkazom, tak chto mne bolshe ne achyom razgavarivat s taboy.

1. zdes (v etom topike) nikto Azer-ov arbuznikami ne nazival, atkuda ti eto vzyl 2. paver mne, u azer-ov bolshe nepriyazni k armyanam chem na-abaraot. Mozhesh v etom ne samnevatsya, u vas gasudarstvennaya anti-armyanskaya prapaganda, u nas takovo netu 3. azer-ec mozhet bez prablem priyexat v Armeniyu (kak eto sdelali mnogye journalisti) a vot uzhe bolshe goda Azerbaijnaskiy MID ne dayot nam garantii chtobi mi journalistov ili NGO representative v Baku pasilali, a s perevoda at diplomaticheskovo yazika eto nazivayetsya "atkaz". 4. ti tut pesni payosh a racionalnosti i abyektivnosti, no sam adnu prastuyu vesh ne xochesh panimat, chto A. Ghukasyan ne banda. on dlya tebya Vrag, i armyani tozhe seychas Vragi, no pachemu ti nazivayesh bandoy?. Skolko mozhno tebya eto abyasnat? mi ne nazivayem Muthalibova bandoy, kagda on armyan iz Shaumyanovkoy rayona vignal. Dlya nas eti lyudi vragi. Vrag ne abyazatelno dolzhen bit band-oy. 5. Nazivaya A. Ghukasyana bandoy, ti nazivayesh vsex armyan banditomi, patamu chto netu ni adnavo armayanina v NK kto bi imel drugovo mneniya. Znachit vse armyani banditi. i ti xochesh skazat chto tebe ne nravitsya kagda vas nazivayut "arbuznikamai".... a ti sam to ka sebya vedyosh? ne stidno? 6. a pra Zangezur, no comment. Ya dumayu ti razgavarival s ne-armyaninom... to chto tebe skazali eto prosto ne-slixanniy bred

ne dumayu chto freski abyazatelno znachit chto deofizisti. Tradiciya fresk bili i v nekotorix Grigorianskix cerkvyax Ani. Nado naverno specialista nayti pa etomu vaprosu

kak? eto bilo askarbleniye?

a vi znayete, ya slishal, chto v Azerbaijanskix knigax istorii napisano chto na Azerbaijan mnogo zaxvatchikov napali, v tom chisle i seljuki vot eto mne ne nravitsya. kak mozhno bit takimi predatelyami i svayix pra-dedov nazvat zaxvatchikami. Pa etomu ya vam gavaryu chto u vas confuse s istoriy. nado bit pa-xrabreye, udti at stereotipov, i priznat, chto seljuki eto ne zaxvatchiki a radniye pra-dedushki.

No Chinese! chto eto znachit?

Аз-кие ханства существуют с 12 в (только дворецу Ширвашахов в Баку около 6 веков The Shirvanshahs ruled the state of Shirvan in northern Azerbaijan from the 6th to the 16th centuries. Their attention first shifted to Baku in the 12th century, when Shirvanshah Manuchehr III ordered that the city be surrounded with walls. In 1191, after a devastating earthquake destroyed the capital city of Shamakhi, the residence of the Shirvanshahs was moved to Baku, and the foundation of the Shirvanshah complex was laid. This complex, built on the highest point of Ichari Shahar, remains as one of the most striking monuments of medieval Azerbaijani architecture. The various sections of the Shirvanshah complex were not all created at the same time, and there was not a general plan for the entire complex's construction. Rather, each building was added as the need arose. Much of the construction was done in the 15th century, during the reign of Khalilullah I and his son Farrukh Yassar in 1435-1442. ), а ведь существует еще Гянджинское, Губинское, Карабахское как здесь упомянуто и.т.д. Ханства зародились примерно в эти века, плюс 5 веков после прихода турков в вассальном положении. В то время как армянское население Кавказа регресировало под нажимом кочевых племен Аз-кие турки развивались. Неужели 15 веков мало чтобы превратится в нацию Господа Армяне это уже сформировашийся этнос с цельными культурными традициями и языком (не похожим ни на Фарси ни на современный Турецкий)и с этим глупо спорить. А кто первее где жил. Вопрос отдает инфантильностью ←

Lyudi, v poll-e tolko ya pragolosoval za 'tragicheskiy sluchaynost"..... no eto ne znachit chto ya naivniy. Ya sam kanechno ne uveren, prosto kak xristianin, ya ne xachu vzyat na sebya vinu.

vasha prablema v tom (yesli vi azerbaijanskiy tyurk), chto vi prinyali ochen gubitelniy put nacionalnovo samosaznaniya. vam nado uchitsya u vashix bratyev, osmankix tyurkov. chto ani delayut? ani gavaryat- da, mi prishli syuda 1000 let nazad, 400 let pa-nablyudali situaciyu, patom razom vzyali vsyo vakrug, sazdali imperiyu, a seychas eshyo i v Eurosayuz.... i sila tyurlka v yeyo barbe, chto sumeli iz Altay-a v ray zemnoy papast, a seychas uzhe s francuzami v Euro-souyz. A vi? chto vi gavarite? vi tolko pesni payote a tom chto vi, azerbajanskiye tyrki, eto nasledniki kavkazskix alban, i chto vi karebnnoy narod! da paymite, daragiye tyurki, korennoost ne menyayet nichevo, ne manipuliruyute s faktami. chestno priznaytes chto vi nastayashiye vainstvenniye tyurki, prishil vzyali, ne vasha prablema. A to, patomki albancev vidish li.... predstav osmaskiye tyurki skazhut chto mi patomki vizantisykix grekov... smeshno. Mozhet i vi assimilrovali paru albancev, no vi zhe tyurki. budte pasmeleye i ne stidites skazat chto vasha istoriya v etom regione nachinayetsya v 11 veke, i vam at etovo ne stidno

vabshe, eto armaysnkoye v tom smisle chto eto indo-yevropeyskaya. Shutka kanechno, no napalavinu

Artyom? da etix xanstv, zdes bili eti praklyatiye ak- i kara-koyunli. Kstati eto samiye veroyatniye pro-dedi azer-ov. A sami xanstva payavivshiysya patom, tolko v politicheskom smisle bili iranskimi, a v realnosti eti bili tyurkskiye xanstva, patamu chto balshinstvo nasileniye bilo tyurkskoye. K 17 veku Armyan uzhe pachti ne astalos a persi zanimali tolko byurokraticheskiy pazicii. No ya dumayu, chto v kulturnom plane eti xanstva bili iarsnakimi, patamu chto eti tyurkoyazicniye plemena prinyali iranskuyu kulturu. i vabshe, eti Sefefidi tozhe bili tyurkami. k sazhaleniyu v 16-18 veke vavsyudu bili tyurki, xarasho chto u nix svayey kulturi pacvhti ne bilo, a to ani tak legko bi ne sdalis, kak eto sluchilos v 18-19 vekax. No zamen paluchili Baku s neftyu, katoriy balshoy resurs dlya nacionalnovo proyekta. I kto znayet chto apyat sluchitsya v budushem.

Karmir jan, Axtala v nineshom vvide bilo pastroyeno kak Orthodoxialniy cerkov. Ano ne Armyano-Grigorianskovo tipa. No ya uveren, chto strailteli bili armyanami. No eto nichevo ne znachit. Armyanskaya cerkov, eta-to chto prinadlezhit Echmiadzinu., a satalnoye, nam ne prenadlezhit!

Ну зачем так резко. Стан это турецкое слово. Турки пришли на Европейскую часть Евразии в начале эпохи попутно называя вассальные области .....станами. Чтож они с армянским языком познакомились раньше чем с самими армянами. А указывать место можно равному а не империям в 20 раз превашающим свои размеры. Ну представьте Лихтенштейн вдруг указывает место США. Армения всегда называлась царством (незнаю как по армянски. Кстати как по армянски царство только русским шрифтом пожалуйста) ←

Ti glupec, yesli dumayesh chto istoriya v 15-om veke nachinayetsya. Vashi xanstva na nashix teretoriayax tolko v 15 veke payavlis... paymite zhe, daragiye ne-gramotniye tyurki (ne znachit chto vse tyurki ne-gramotniye, bivayet dazhe i ochen intelegnetniye, no ti yavno ne iz tex), eto tolko vasha istoria nachinayetsya v 15 veke. kak ti dumayesh da vashix seljukskix, kara- i ak-koyonluyskix kochevnikov zdes nichevo ne bilo? Idi zapadniye enciklopedii chitay chto bilo zdes da vas, altayskix kachevnikov da paymite zhe, chto vi, tyurki, bili velichayshiy TORMOZ civilizacii. Eto iz za vas 500 let v regione ne bilo razvitiya! no vi maladci, magli let 400-500 bit xazyayevami v regione! tut glupo sporit! vi eto sdelali, nashi pazdravleniya! ne vsyakim udavalos, no seychas uzhe ne te vremena.

mer mej kan shatery vor estex "kayfavat" en linum vracineri u thurqeri vra, shat depqerum ditmamb baner en grum vor dranc nervaynacnen, isk da sxal e. ed anlurj motecmamb menq voch mi bani chenq hasni.

piti haskacnenq, thekuz hamozelov u sirashahelov... da el e paterazm, petq lini kareli e nuynisk hetnery lav line, vor ynkalen mer asatsnery... bayts mek-mek el menq el enq hamy hanum, mer mets-mets xosalov drants xrtanacnum enq... da gortsin ogut chi ta

ya nashyol adin azer-skiy site pa 'real estate'. http://www.bakubis.azintex.com/premises/index.htm ya nemnozhko pasmatrel, v Yerevane ceni na 30-50 pracentov vishe... no ya dumayu chto skoro ceni v Baku budut rasti. sevodnya Yerevan schitayetsya samim daragim gorodom v regione patamu chto yest balshoy priliv diasporskix armyan, katoriye pakupayut zdes nedvizhimost. A vot let cherez 5-10, s pomoshyu nefti i pritoka kapitala Baku stanet samim daragim gorodom v regione a da tex por, daragiye azerbaijanci, pamirites s obsheizvestnim, ya imeyu vvidu dlya specialistov pa nedvizhimosti, faktom, chto v Yerevane samoye daragoye zhilyo v regione (Armenia, Vastochnaya Turciya, Gruziaya, Azerbaijan, severniy Iran, Severniy Kavkaz...) K stati, etot fakt ne ochen to raduyet ne-bagatomu armyaninu