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Tolko israel? Vse evrejskie lobby vo vsex stranax poderjivajut azveristan.

Irank aydkan@ chen haskanum. Iranc patmutyun@ himnavorvatsa dra lriv hakarak mtatselakerpov.

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God bless Russia! A South Ossetian soldier stands near a poster of Russian President Vladimir Putin in Tkviavi, South Ossetia. Georgia ratcheted up pressure on its separatist region of South Ossetia by announcing it was sending more troops to the border of the pro-Russia territory.(AFP/File)

Nu ti tochno tupoj. Kartvelskije yaziki-GRUPA YAZIKOV Gruzinksi (Kartuli) yazik iz etoy grupi. Drugije yaziki iz etoj grupi: Lazuri/Chanuri, Svanuri i Megruli. Indo-Evropejskie yaziki toje grupa yazikov. "Hay" ti naverno imel vvidu HAYEREN? nu tije tupoj tak chto zabudim ob etom. Armjanski yazik iz etoy grupi.

kartvel, zabut ti po Urartski yazik!!!! Yest IE yaziki Anatoliji sto raz staree Urarto-Hurritskovo kotorije Armjane mogout ponimat. I daje uznav eto vse ravno Urartskije slova tolko v Armjanskom! A tvoy vivod chto vse Kartvelci=Gruzini prosto smeshno. Vse Semiti Arabi? lol

Es erku tari Yerevanum em aprel im Amerikaci cnvac kaputachya blond yankee halov so arxayin Do inchvor hima tesnum es ayspes kochvac "Hayastanum" da chi nerkayacnum mer amboghj azg@ erb vor kovkasyan mas@ Hayq-i 10%. Hamuzich a te che hima tenc a. Es voch mi ban chem grel voronk vercvac en Hay groghneric. Im grac amen inch es karogh kez tramadrem Western aghpyurneric. Lriv kez het hamadzaynem myus asatsnerovt. Bayc tenc pessimistic petk chi linel. Ari du nayi Huynerin u ankexc asa vor irank nuyn kaki mech cheyin? Haskanum es inch em asum? Peace.

Xuritski tochno ne IE. Mi nichevo ne znayem ob Etrusski. Ou Armjan nebilo pismennosti do Mashtoca. Armjani pisali po grecheskomu alfavitu v osnovom. Starije vostochnije plemena po cuneiform. A posje na Syriac.

Es Ruseren haziv em grum so Hayeren em patasxanelu Angeleren hatvacnerov. Haykakan tarber tsghere@ Phrygiaciner@, Hayassa-Azzi etc... bolor@ gtnvum eyin Arevmutkum Biajnili(Urartun Asorakan annunna) hamemat. Tarineri @ntackum Urartacineri vra harcakvum eyin Scythianner@ Hyusisic ev Cimmeriannner@. Voronk verjapes veracrecin Urartu-i hzorutyun@. Ayd @ntackum arden Hnd-Evropakan Hayeri naxniner@ teghapoxvecin Arevelk depi Haykakan lernasharx (aysinkn Urartu-i tarack@) vortegh arden kamac kamac bolor teghaciner liovin lutsvecin ev daran mi amboghj Hay azg, nuyn lezuyov ev mshakuytov. Shutov Medes@ harcakvec Hayq-i vra ev drec irenc tagavorakan jarangortner@-Ervandunineri gerdastan@, voric heto Artashener@ ev ayl... Inch kaxvac@ lezvin apa himnakan koriz@ Phrygianneric eh. Hayassener@ nuynpes HE lezu xosoghner eyin bayc irenc lezun Anatoliakan er, Hittineri lezvi pes. Bayc hamarvum eh vor vorosh jamankin Hayeren@ ev Hunarene@ eghel en nuyn lezun ev anjatveluc heto irar shat motik en mnacel minchev Parskakan &nshumner@. Baci dranic petk e nayev hashvi arnel vor Hayereni mej nayev kan teghakan Urartneri Hurriakan lezun. Orinak mets kter@ Hayeri kareli eh asel vor ekel en Haysaa/Hittineric irenc astvacneri nkarner bolor mets kterov eyin Kovakasyan demker@ Uratacineric. Aveli Evropoid tesakner@ Phrygianneric ev ayln. Ham lezun ham el mshakuyt@ tarber maseric eh kazmvel ev darel eh mer himikva hiaskanch azg@. Im tvac linkum karogh es kardal Metsamori masin. Du erevi atomakayan es gnacel

Ya soglasen naschet Urart nu v tak je kak Colchi tolko sigrali svoju rol v formiravaniji Gruzin no ne bili Gruzinami. I vobshe krome Urartov tam bili eshe minimum 4-5 pyat drugix narodov kotorije govorile IE yaziki. Eto tolko Urarti kotorije ne govorili po Armjanski. That's why it's considered that their culture and people were assimilated by the IE Armenians, hence the dominant language remained and Hurro-Uratian became extinct. In any case Uratians were only one of the many such peoples. Sformirovania Armjanskovo yazika i naroda uje bila zakonchena minimum 800-600 BC. Gruzinskaja 1000 pozje. Kak eto tak sluchilos?

http://www.tacentral.com/history.asp Do a search on Metsamor and you'll get hundreds of results. Vot oni proto-Armjani. A v eto vremya u vas tolko bilo Imiris-gora, malenkie doma. Pre-history: 90,000 BC to Paleolithic, Mesolithic and Neolithic periods. Metsamor civilization. http://www.tacentral.com/history.asp Period 1: Late Bronze Age (a) Hayassa-Azzi (with the addition of Hittites) (b) Rise of Urartians © Arrival of Thraco-Phrygian Armen tribes from Thrace Period 2: Separation of Proto-Armenian language from Proto-Greek and the appearance of Proto-Armenian in the northern areas of Anatolia, associated with Luwians and Hittites, in the period from 2200-1900 BCE. Period 3: The Urartu State Thenative Hurrian speaking people take the role of Western Peasants to the Hurro-Urartian Upper Class while Armen peoples seem to be associated with the Nairi. Period 4: The Scytho-Median overlordship The destruction of Urartu gives the Armen tribes the chance to expand and assume the mantle in the power vacuum of the Urartian state. This is the period in which Hayk becomes acknowledged as the "ancestor" of Hayassa. Period 5: Persian & later Hellenistic Period when the name Armeniya becomes acknowledged. This sees the emergence of Armenian as a literate language with an adapted and modified Aramaean/Greek script, for the first time.

Na 1500 let Armjanski narod uje bil tselim v 600 god do nashey eri. Esli schitat ka ti schitayesh proto-Gruzin to togda do etovo bili Hayasa-Azzi, Frakijci itg. A vobshe do etovo bil Metsamor 5000 do nashey eri. A kto tebe skazal chto Armjanski yazik seychas ne poxoj na Armjanski v 70 do nashey eri? Konechno ne toje samoe no vse yaziki menajutsa, daje novie yaziki kak Anglijski ili Russki.

Do el teghakan menti tegh es kez drel :lol: Moderatorneri gorcna voch te ko.

Sxalvum es

Hayassa-Azzi(govorjat oni toje bili IE, blije k Hittites) i Urarti(potomki Hurritov) vsegda jili v nashey teritoriji. Indo-Evropejskije Armeni priexali v 1200 d.n.e.

Kokoj vopros? Netu voprosa.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/afp/20040517/comet.html http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1110824.htm Halley's Comet Portrayed on Ancient Coin By Heather Catchpole, ABC Science Online Halley's Comet Nucleus May 19, 2004 — A rare ancient coin may feature an early record of Halley's Comet, researchers say. The coin features the head of the Armenian king Tigranes II the Great, who reigned from 95 to 55 B.C. A symbol on his crown that features a star with a curved tail may represent the passage of Halley's comet in 87 B.C., say the Armenian and Italian researchers. Their research will be published in Astronomy & Geophysics, a journal of the Royal Astronomical Society. Halley's comet, which was last visible in 1986, has cropped up periodically in the Earth's history, with regular observations in 1531, 1607 and 1682. This led Edmond Halley to declare in 1705 that this was the same comet, with an orbit taking it past the Earth about every 76 years. He predicted successfully it would return in 1758, and the comet was named after him. Now researchers have found further evidence that the comet was significant thousands of years before Halley was born. Tigranes could have seen Halley's comet when it passed closest to the sun on Aug. 6 in 87 B.C., according to the researchers, who said the comet would have been a "most recordable event." The appearance of the comet in Armenia, which borders Turkey and Iran, could be useful to date the coin accurately. While the coin dates back to before 83 B.C., when Tigranes conquered the ancient city of Antioch, the capital city of Syria at the time, researchers do not know its precise date. Halley's comet is a ball of dirty snow and ice about 15 kilometers long. Like other comets that periodically pass the Earth, it has a highly eccentric orbit that changes as the larger planets pull at its orbit. Astronomer Vince Ford from the Research School of Astronomy and Astrophysics at Canberra's Australian National University said the comet would have been bigger and brighter 2000 years ago. "As comets come round the sun they lose a lot of material, up to 10 percent," he said. Although Halley's comet wasn't losing that much, it would still get smaller over time as the sun burnt away icy dust and gas. Like other comets that return within 200 years, Halley's comet is thought to come from the Kuiper belt, a disc of comets and icy planets including Pluto, which periodically sends icy material hurtling into the solar system. Ford said the oldest confirmed observation of Halley's comet was from Chinese recordings on May 25 in 240 B.C. Art had often been the source of evidence of sightings of Halley's comet, he said. For example, the Bayeux tapestry depicted the comet in the lead up to the Battle of Hastings in 1066. But art had also mislead astronomers, Ford said. "Giotto painted it into his nativity scene, probably because he has recently seen Halley's comet and he was impressed," Ford said. "But the comet only appeared in 12 B.C., way before the birth of Jesus."

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Kartvel I know, you took "real" literally. The strongest Armenian kingdom at that time was Cilicia. Btw wasn't Georgia at that time Islamic? Also what's the connection between Georgians and Mamelukes?

Now this is a real map, and here's the source: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/maps/detailf.html For a detailed map of what later became South/Central-Western Georgia look here: http://hayk.artsakhworld.com/Main_Eng/Maps...ng/Map_Eng.html

The girl who won is from Lvov, does that mean she is Catholic (Poland oriented)?

The number I heard of jews in Armenia before the collapse is 50,000. Most migrated to israel obviously. I think the only ones left are in Yerevan now, they have a pretty active community center and obviously a functioning synagogue. Israel's denial and revisionism has nothing to do with the number of turkish sephardic jews and everything with the jewish belief that recognition of other genocidal crimes will "lessen the importance of the holocaust" or some other excuse like that often given by jewish leaders wordlwide and israeli officials. A secondary excuse is the military and economic alliance of turdey and israel and of course there are those on various payrolls such as bernard lewis.

An Evening with Bernard Lewis: Terrorists, Tea and Hatred May 13, 2004 "The only solution, Lewis concludes, is the Western recolonization of the Arab world, starting with Iraq .." By Sarah Whalen The Palestine Chronicle I wonder. What is a terrorist? Saudis, Wahhabis, Muslims who follow the shariah, and suicide bombers, Orientalist Bernard Lewis told a rapt audience of mostly Jewish Americans in New Orleans last week. Lewis, a British Jew who studied law but failed to finish, apparently hates the sharia only slightly less than he hates Saudi Arabia generally and Wahhabism specifically. “A lunatic fringe in a marginal country,” he sneers. The West’s present troubles, Lewis avers, arise from “an unholy combination of two events:” the creation of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and the discovery of oil there. The audience titters at the word “unholy.” Encouraged, Lewis warms to his subject. “Imagine,” he offers, “if the Ku Klux Klan obtained the oil wells of Texas, and had all that money…a pale approximation” of what happened with Saudi Arabia. “Imagine,” Lewis urges, “that the KKK used all this money to establish a network of well-endowed schools and colleges all over Christendom, peddling their particular brand of Christianity.” The audience gasps and shudders at the thought of Christianity being spread. Or is it a “KKK” brand of Christianity? Or Islam? Lewis is unclear, but on a roll. Suicide bombing also has Islamic origins, Lewis insists. He admits Islam “clearly forbids suicide.” But this doesn’t stop Muslims from doing it, says Lewis, who shifts to the Assassins, spinning lurid tales of the dagger-wielding, supposedly hashish-smoking Ismaili sect’s practices in the 11th and 12th centuries that terrorized Crusaders and most of “Persia and Palestine.” The Assassins, Lewis claims, were “eventually suppressed” only to “reappear in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.” And their heirs, ignoble, modern suicide bombers, Lewis warns, may soon become a metaphor for the whole Middle East, locked into “a downward spiral of hate and spite, rage and self-pity, poverty and oppression.” The only solution, Lewis concludes, is the Western recolonization of the Arab world, starting with Iraq. But why stop there? An American-Israeli Ottoman empire awaits. The audience wildly applauds. Lewis takes questions from lesser beings, all of whom bask in his genial but insulting answers. Then, the audience storms the table laden with The Crisis of Islam, and What Went Wrong, manifestos that made Lewis the Bush Administration’s chief neocon ideologue. Lewis graciously signs purchases. I stand in line and wonder: Do these new Lewis fans, many of whom descend from Holocaust victims and survivors, know that a French court once fined him for denying the Armenian genocide? Do they know that today’s date—April 24—marks the Armenian genocide’s 89th anniversary? It is my turn: “You claim the Ismaili Assassins are the precursors of modern Palestinian suicide bombers. I wanted to ask about Masada—“ Lewis jumps, as though poked with a pin. “Masada!” he says emphatically. “Damn! I meant to say something about that.” I nod. “I wonder whether this tradition actually started much earlier in Palestine with the Jewish tradition of the Sicarii.” Lewis’s eyes narrow suspiciously. The Sicarii, Lewis knows, were Jewish Zealot assassins specializing in murder by “sicae,” small daggers. During the 66 CE Jewish rebellion, some Sicarii fled to Masada, King Herod’s fortress, slaughtered the Roman garrison stationed there, and plundered nearby settlements, including Jewish villages. The Masada group eventually numbered 960 men, women, and children. In 72 CE, the Roman governor Silva besieged Masada with the 10th Legion. Jewish historian Josephus recorded the testimony of two Jewish women and five Jewish children, the sole survivors of what happened next, on Passover Eve, 73 CE, when the Sicarii announced that rather than surrender, the Jewish men would murder their wives and children, then “cast lots to choose ten men to dispatch the remainder,” with the lone surviving Jew then running “his sword entirely through himself.” This they did. Lewis glares. “Well,” he says, “Judaism so abhors suicide that there is not a word about Masada in any Jewish history or rabbinical period text, only by Josephus.” And he chuckles and remarks that in writing down the truth, Josephus became a despised Roman collaborator. I nod. But I ask: “Why do we ignore murder-suicide’s place in ancient Israeli-Palestinian culture? Modern Israelis made murder-suicide into a national shrine at Masada. But there’s nothing heroic about murdering your wives and children and all your male friends, and then killing yourself, which is what the Sicarii did. So why glorify them, as Israel does?” Lewis does not blink. So I press on. “Israeli Army recruits take oaths of allegiance at Masada. And since every Israeli serves some time in the armed forces, they’re all indoctrinated into this view. Zionist youth groups hike to Masada, there promising to support the Israeli state unto death. How can you blame 11th century Ismaili Assassins for inventing suicide bombings, when the Sicarii predated Islam by hundreds of years?” “At least,” Lewis snaps, “the Jews only killed themselves at Masada, and not anyone else.” But surviving Sicarii groups fled to Alexandria and Thebes. Scholars say Ismaili fringe traditions originated out of Egypt. And Egypt is the home of the Muslim Brotherhood. So who taught who how to be a suicide bomber? Is recolonizing Israel an option? Lewis turns away. I wonder. http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story.ph...040513103628345

Protivnika netu. Skem voevat? :lol: