armada Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 (edited) Is that really the common one? Glad to know it Ablertus effect gravitacionnikh linz otnositsja k effektam opisivajushimisja obshej teoriej polja ili net (vopros kak nefizika)? Edited April 27, 2004 by armada Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TS133T Posted April 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 realy exist, or exist just in your mind? That's the question. Nobody cares. It exists because it started to interact with other forces. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crimson Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Does the common relativity theory have any application? Global Positioning System (as far as I know) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armada Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Nobody cares. It exists because it started to interact with other forces. Started to interact really or just in your mind? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ablertus Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Otsutstvie treugol'nikov s summoj uglov v 153 gradusa v aksiomatike Evklida dokazuemo? Так в том то и дело, что я говорю о РЕАЛЬНОМ мире, а не о математических абстракциях. Недоказуема сама аксиоматика Евклида (хотя её “не-абсолютность” вроде бы давно считается доказанной). Зато в большинстве случаев она ЭФФЕКТИВНА, иначе её бы не использовали до сих пор. Недоказуемы законы сохранения материи и вещества. Известно лишь, что никто не наблюдал возникновение чего то из ничего, но никто не может гарантировать, что этого никогда и не происходило и не произойдёт. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aha++ Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Is that really the common one? Glad to know it Oh, I'm sorry, you said common. Didn't notice... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ablertus Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Ablertus effect gravitacionnikh linz otnositsja k effektam opisivajushimisja obshej teoriej polja ili net (vopros kak nefizika)? Да я и сам не физик Впервые слышу о гравитационных линзах Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armada Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Да я и сам не физик Впервые слышу о гравитационных линзах Naskol'ko ja znjau, s pomosh'ju etogo effecta mogno nabljudat' cherezvichajno udalennie objekti vselennoj porjadka 13 mlrd svetovikh let. Osnova otklonennie lucha sveta ot prjamoj pri dvigenii v gravitacionnom pole zvezd, galaktik. Naskol'ko ja znaju eto kak raz po obshej teorii otnositel'nosti. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TS133T Posted April 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Offtop: chto znachit TS133T (otkuda vdrug takoj nik) Так получилос. Появилось на грани баланса определенной времени и определенних обстоятельств и данных. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TS133T Posted April 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Started to interact really or just in your mind? Why in my mind is not reality? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crimson Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Вот статья о связи GPS и Relativity Theory: Real-World Relativity: The GPS Navigation System People often ask me "what good is Relativity", and think of it as an abstract and highly mathematical theory that has no relation to everyday life. Consider for a moment that when you are riding in a commercial airliner, the pilot and crew are navigating with the aid of the Global Positioning System (GPS). In addition, you can now buy portable GPS receivers with built-in maps for use in cars, and there are even hand-held navigation units that will give you your position on the earth (latitude, longitude, and altitude) to an accuracy of 5 to 10 meters that weigh only a few ounces and cost around $100.... Full version here: http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~p.../Unit5/gps.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armada Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Why in my mind is not reality? Because in your mind you can imagine peace in the world Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TS133T Posted April 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 So. My imagination is still a balance of chemical reactions which create material visualization. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armada Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Вот статья о связи GPS и Relativity Theory: Full version here: http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~p.../Unit5/gps.html Kstati amerikanci zatevajut eksperiment s proverkoj etoj teorii. Gde-to sajte NASA valjaetsja ikh proekt, khotjat s visokoj tochnostju izmerit' ugol otklonennija lucha lazera prokhodjashego vblizi solnca. Esli ne budet sootvetsvoat' predskazanijam dedushki Enshtejna to togda kranti teorii. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armada Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 So. My imagination is still a balance of chemical reactions which create material visualization. Is peace in the world reality? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TS133T Posted April 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Is peace in the world reality? Reality is relative world, dont rely on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armada Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Narod, bilo prijatno pobesedovat', no proshu proshenija, u menja na chaskh pol vtorogo nochi. Ja poshel domoj. Kak govoril moj ded "slushat' sum podvodnoj lodki" : ) Do zavtra. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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armada Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Reality is relative world, dont rely on it. Real'nost' eto to chto sushestvuet ob'ektivno, vne zavisimosti ot nashukh znanij o nem, eto vpolne konkretnoe ponjatie. Vopros lish v nashikh znanijakh, naskol'ko tochno oni sootvetsvujut real'nosti. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TS133T Posted April 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Real'nost' eto to chto sushestvuet ob'ektivno, vne zavisimosti ot nashukh znanij o nem, eto vpolne konkretnoe ponjatie. Vopros lish v nashikh znanijakh, naskol'ko tochno oni sootvetsvujut real'nosti. В том то и дело, что для каждого реальность другая. Ешё никто не смог и не сможет показать где реальность, а где нет. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trump Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 И потом: стоит ли познавать мир, если мы даже не знаем, существует ли он вообще? Вы поклонник солипсизма? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
horangi Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 вообще-то никакой реальности нет. и нас тоже нет. и даже... даже... меня! нет! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
horangi Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 и даже ничто - его тоже нет. и пустоты - нет. даже факта отсутствия чего-либо тоже на самом деле нет. P.S. истинности данного высказывания и какого-либо соответствующего этому высказыванию положения дел, как вы понимаете, тоже нет. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenguru-ru Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 лоооол!!! как вы классно ухлубились в относительно идейиные линзы Евклида! ТС, чтоб материя существовала, нужна причина (=цель) её существования. Как говорят чучемучники, причину можно найти всегда. Так что, если чего - придумаем! От конца света отмажемся, не боись! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TS133T Posted April 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Откуда берется причина? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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